Psychotherapists are not using psychotherapy . . .

[sure]

I know this A.-K. J. from Hannover. My Hartwin-father-uncle recently f*d her 'cause she's a worker as him.
She again seems to fall all in love with the same men as me. She hunts me ! 'cause her parents are divorced (her father is a civil servant).
She lies and steals therefore - and she knows nothing about gender. She's in love forever with Axel. 
She's got sex for the first time - even in my mum's bed. She's got a dutch boyfriend for whom she feels nothing - but Canabis and Ecstacy.

Does this girl has a psychosis schizophrenia ? What does she need ? (Pills, TalkageTherapy, Drug-Reduction)

[NataEames]

Doctors have made numerous mistakes treating a simple flu one childhood friend of mine had. Due to their negligence and counterindicated drugs, she didn't take the treatment well, had a severe allergic reaction because they didn't test her and sadly, passed away.
The human body is very complicated, i cant blame the doctors for not knowing everything about it.
I can, however, blame them for claiming to know everything about it.

[Bill Hemphill]

SWM, If they don't know how the psyche works, does it make a difference?

On a similar note, I heard a man say  that while working at a seminary, every so many months a new class of students enrolled for school. When asked if they believed in Jesus, most of them answered, no. They said they thought this religious thing was a good gig when asked.

I suppose it is similar for people in the field of Psychology. Yes SWM, "the field". They sort of accept the idea of a psyche and then they do not believe that a person can be healed by a psychic means.

The professionals take it upon them self to either prescribe medicine which has failed for almost every single patient. Or they spend hours in their office in therapy and outside of therapy discussing cases with other "professionals in the field" how they can help a patient WITHOUT considering the psyche. FACT!

Say hello to the Queen, would you?

Bill Hemphill                Genius

[Enigma]

You are aware that if medication failed for "almost every single patient" then it would never make it past FDA trials?

[SWM]

@bill. it does make difference because psychiatrists are working ona biological level with brain. they use a scientific methodolgy that observes results. they cannot observe the mind as it is a subjective phenomena. i use the word mind because psyche is not in common useage any more.

you said that they do not understand how the mind works this is true because no body can understand how the mind works, people can only observe the cogitations of their own mind or the objective expressions of the minds of others. there are lots of theories about how the mind works and what the mind is but these are only theories and are created from inside the mind of induvudals who are only able to observe their own minds or behaviour of others. sigmuend freuds theories where full of repressed sexual urges and morbid imaginiings, his theory came from his understanding of his own sexual desires and cocaine fueled motivations.

as humans evolve into telepathic /clairvouyant beings we might begin to develop theories of the mind that are based on the direct observation of the cogitations of other peoples minds, it will be along time before science is at a position to accept such a perspective.

[Bill Hemphill]

SWM, you are proving my point. The Psyche is a functioning mechanism within the mind. I would say that it is not a perfect model as set up by others.

By not knowing how the mind works, Psychiatrists are unable to properly treat people. The workings of the mind can be seen.  Does that not scare you? I mean a Psychiatrist knowingly ignorant of how the mind works administering psychotropic or otherwise "drugs" to a person who has a problem. The problems just get worse. No wonder 2 or 3% of people are cured . . . they are the people smart enough to say something to get them self out of that mess.

SWM, you are wrong. I do know how the mind works. It is a vast field but there is crux to it.

The cogitations of the mind really sums up to philosophy which is a long studied field. Knowing that  people have different philosophies makes philosophy an integral part of mind study. I have been delving into philosophy more and more in recent years in order to help solve the more confounding cases.

On a more positive note, it makes for good discussion. This is an excellent forum for people to find out how the mind works versus just stating that it can't be known. I assure you it is known. I know.

Do me a favor SWM . . . would you?             Say hello to the Queen!


Bill Hemphill         the guy who figured out how the mind works. I am serious.  Solving Equilibrium problems(like air sickness) is my favorite accomplishment . . . but it is so easy.

[Bill Hemphill]

Enigma, there are more considerations that the FDA takes into account when approving a drug. One is the professional opinions of psychiatrists and psychologists who say they don't know how the mind works. Also doctors who say the drug is safe in dosages. Some drugs are to be limited while others are not . . .? Still, people have problems. That's a shame.

I love mind study! This is a great forum!

[Bill Hemphill]

SWM, did you smite me? I suspect the queen would applaud me! I am at least trying to help.

[SWM]

you were not smitten by me sir.

[Bill Hemphill]

Believing that you have a lot to do with this site, it is nice to hear that you did not smite me.

It encourages me to believe that Psychology can advance past rhetorical theories that are half correct and are not to be deviated from. At least the institutional academic explanation of the theories that is  strictly adhered to by some, might be questioned and corrected in a free society.

[Bill Hemphill]

SWM, tonight I will begin re-reading the Edinburgh lectures. Maybe others could some day point out an interesting mind book and it could be critiqued by none other than us folks here on the Psychology Forum. Let me know if you start such a thing SWM.

Bill

[SWM]

that would be good idea bill. there is an abumdance of classic papers available online that we could attempt to crtique. it would be interesting to see what the different disciplines on the forum make of some of the classic theories.

[sure]

sorry for opening this thread up again after several months. And sorry for talking that concrete nonsense before
Here in hamburg, there's a psychologist (Prof. Thomas Bock) who even stated that there's something as a lack of COMPLIANCE with patiences of psychosis!
Patience should deny their sickness too often; doctors can't help, because patience show no insigght etc.
But onm the other hand, there's this other doctor who said the following: the sickness isn't proofable, scientifically, and doctors thus can't treat it.
So, if there's nothing like schizophrenia in science, it's just a virtual, artifical sickenss and in concrete none existant - how can patience show compliance?
Or on the other hand: How can you expect something as insight in the sickenss of psychosis and treat someone if the sickness itself is only vague?
This doctor of mine - Dr. Folke Sumfleth - even cited it: Psychosis don't exist! There's nothing like psychosis! etc.

It's a paradox and a dilemma ! And nothing else.

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