Research into Combat Stress or PTSD using energy psychology

[sakoz]

Check this out      www.stressproject.org     (I'm already familar with EFT, but to see such extreme cases is amazing)

Energy Psychology is a set of therapies that work directly on the body to produce psychological change. They bypass the process of talking extensively about past traumas, which often simply reinforces the negative experience. Instead, they make use of visualization or verbal statements to reframe problems, accompanied by very specific routines employing breathing, tapping, or massage. This combination of recall of past traumas, coupled with physical stimulation, has been found by thousands of ordinary people, as well as physicians, therapists, coaches, and psychiatrists, to produce startling and permanent relief of the emotional charge associated with traumatic events.

[SWM]

EFT is similar to mesmersim or reiki. I have never taken an interest in EFT for this reason. The placebo as a therapy.
Mesmer used magnets and iron filings to move an unseen energy around the body affecting the cure of numerous ailments.

Mesmerism was extremely effective until a Royal commission discoverd that there was no unseen energy and therefore Mesmer must have been a charlatan. Mesmersim was practised esoterically until James Braid who was also an esoteric Mesmerist  recognised trance could be induced by psychological means and the effects of mesmerism could be achieved with out magnets.

[sakoz]

SWM; I'm surprised, appalled by your reply. Did you even watch the 6 minute video? The 'good learned' doctors would not look through Galileo's telescope because they ALREADY KNEW what they knew.
Edible mushrooms are SIMILAR to poisonuous ones, so stay away from edible ones? The words 'love' and 'hate' are both made of the alphabet, does that make them SIMILAR?
Why are you talking about mesmerism or reiki ? To justify your decision to avoid EFT?
I mentioned that one research that showed EFT got better and quicker 'symptom relief' than did CBT for PTSD.
The "proof of the pudding is in the eating".

[SWM]

I did not watch the video. I am not interested in EFT. I know people who are and they find it very good. but it is not something that interests me.

maybe I got it wrong. perhaps EFT is not the placebo effect in action, but I dont care enough to find out.

[Enigma]

Fuck that new age hippie energy bullshit, more research needs to be done into MDMA psychotherapy.  It has huge potential for treating PTSD. 

[sakoz]

Enigma;  what makes your opinion sacrosanct?  MDMA is a drug. Drugs been around for eons, philosybin, peyote, marijuana, all useful I agree.
E=mc2.   'Thought' is made of energy, and has tremendous effects/influence. Energy Psychology is based on acupuncture without needles.
Dowsing rods detect water below the surface without drilling. Dowsing may be 'witchcraft' to you , but it 'works'.
Tapping contacts energy in the meridians, etc.
Try a 'open mind'. SWM didn't watch a 6 minute video, you probably know less about Energy Psychology then he does.
You using your thoughts in lieu of opium ?
www.stressproject.org


( MDMA sounds 'interesting', I don't have acess to any like I do to Tapping my meridians.) ( you mention "potential"; Tapping already proven workable, see video)

[sakoz]

I don't know why SWM moved this thread here, as if I was intersted in "Research  into Combat Stress or PTSD",  I'm interested in EFT,I only referrred to PTSD and vets to show how EFFECT EFT is even in extreme cases as PTSD'. Then how well it 'works' on everyday variety of anxiety is a foregone conclusion.

[SWM]

it has been moved to psychological therapy because EFT is a psychological therapy. It has nothing to do with your interest. I do not know your interests and have not made this decisions based on what i think you might be thinking.

If you believe the topic should be somewhere else please explain and i will move it if i agree.

[Enigma]

Enigma;  what makes your opinion sacrosanct?  MDMA is a drug. Drugs been around for eons, philosybin, peyote, marijuana, all useful I agree.
E=mc2.   'Thought' is made of energy, and has tremendous effects/influence. Energy Psychology is based on acupuncture without needles.
Dowsing rods detect water below the surface without drilling. Dowsing may be 'witchcraft' to you , but it 'works'.
Tapping contacts energy in the meridians, etc.
Try a 'open mind'. SWM didn't watch a 6 minute video, you probably know less about Energy Psychology then he does.
You using your thoughts in lieu of opium ?
www.stressproject.org


( MDMA sounds 'interesting', I don't have acess to any like I do to Tapping my meridians.) ( you mention "potential"; Tapping already proven workable, see video)

There is no scientific evidence that energy (as New Age spiritualists use the word) exists. 

Dowsing is also bullshit.  From wikipedia:

there is no accepted scientific rationale behind the concept and no scientific evidence that it is effective./quote]. 

[sakoz]

Enigma; we may not be "on the same page" as the saying goes. This is a psychology forum. Many people (throughout the land) are NOT getting desired results/effects from some of the thoughts they believe. Obviously some of the thoughts believed are 'false-to-facts', non-utilitarian, unscientific, what you call "bullshit". Your term is used in the vernacular to refer to beliefs of some with whom you do not share nor accept their belief. Your use is a example.
I'm interested in the effects/consequences of beliefs, whether true or false.-All beliefs are reacted to by the "believers" own nervous system, primarily by their involuntary (amygdala et al). That seems to cause emotional suffering, dysfunctional behavior, stress, mistakes, etc. when 'said' beliefs are false. Most often such beliefs are not recognized as false by the 'believers'themselves.
You appear to be a 'expert bullshit detector". Do you detect all your own UNWITTINGLY believed thoughts? (That's a contradiction, if you believe subliminally, your not aware of believing, example "I thought the gun was empty", hindsight AFTER the fact; right?) I'm with you, "on the same page" with that project. But how do we go about recognizing our OWN false 'beliefs'?
The placebo effect is my example of believing 'bullshit' and still getting benefical results.  I admit I'm still prone to the 'placebo effect', but not as much to nocebo effects anymore. As a result of my believing the bullshit that there might be bullshit energy flowing in my bullshit meridians I deprogrammed my involuntary from believing some of my bullshit images are real. And I am pleased with the results.
It can be perilous to believe bullshit (false) thoughts. What's being done to avoid/prevent believing them? First you have to recognize believing them; especially one's own.
Pharmaceutical companies are making billions by providing pills to relieve symptoms caused by believing bullshit thoughts.