A question about the id/ego/superego balance & the subconscious

[polo]

I've been reading up a bit about freud today with the id, ego and superego and I have a question:

ok from what i understand, the ego and the subconscious are tied, and the superego and the unconscious are tied, right?

and in really basic terms (this is very very new new to me)
the ego is the judge in the middle of the scale who is the negotiator between superego and id and the outside world
the id is the selfish one - it's all about me me me, my wants and my needs
the superego is the moral one who puts everyone else first and thinks about how everything affects others before they do anything, and is also the one responsible for laying on guilt (even if it's laying the guilts on themselves and taking on the id's problems as their own).... right?

this is a completely random question but, say for example, the id/ego/superego balance has tipped: a person has slipped to being a complete superego, to maybe counterbalance another person in their lives who is predominantly an ID... and both are struggling to find their egos again to take charge and to right the balance

is it possible to still have a subconscious without the ego necessarily being consciously present? like - if id, ego and superego were all in a house and superego and id ganged up on ego and pushed him out and shut the door, can subconsciousness exist on its own and still be in the house with them as a separate entity? or  is it tied so closely with ego that the two are pretty inseperable?

I hope that makes some vague sense! thanks in advance!

[Ajna]

Id-   The primal mind. Most tied with subconscious. Instinct, genetics etc.

EXAMPLE:   "I want ice cream"


Ego- Based on experience. Applies basic logic and wisdom to the desires of the id.

EXAMPLE:  "To get the ice cream, I need to go to the store down the street."


Superego- Based on morals. The emotional layer.

EXAMPLE: "But then again... I shouldn't go get ice cream because im watching my weight."

[Karaten]

To be perfectly honest, I think the whole concept is stupid. It runs on the basis that the supposed Superego doesn't simply act upon a higher desire, as such, assumes then that there is a separation between the understanding of immediate desire and the superior desire for future ones. Rather, it's a hierarchy of such desires, that form from a understanding of the world as we age. If we had no reason not to get the ice cream, we would indeed get one. The only reason we wouldn't is a higher desire that the ice cream would come in the way of.

That being said, what you described is entirely irrelevant as it's not some idiotic concept that creates the subconscious, and as such, a person would still have one.

[Joseph]

Freud is old...
Try transactional analysis and ego states, it is post  & extra Freudian and a lot better. It is used all over the word, in psychotherapy, organizations and in the educational field.