Am I adding valued information to this forum?

[pljames]

  All of my ranting and ravings are just my theoretical thoughts and beliefs. I am learning from this forum absolute truths that I absolutly refused to believe. Which makes me wonder if we do not have a (dark side-sin). I have been good and bad in my life and now look back and contemplete why I did what I did. It now seems the things I did bad were experiences I learned from instead of judging myself bad. This forum has awakened me to understand myself better. But have I given any value to learn from? Thoughts please. pl

[S. Earl Martin]

I would say you have contributed in a positive way. You use the knowledge you have and you have tried to keep your threads on topic. I also would say you were respectful of other peoples ideas and opinions. Even when they may not be the same as yours. You have been willing to learn. Most importantly you haven't tried to force your opinions on others.

As far as past deeds? Karma is real. We get back what we give out. The seeds we sow produce the fruit we bear. Everyone has made mistakes. No one is perfect. Realizing we have made an error and trying to not repeat it is a sign of maturity. If possible trying to make emends usually won't undo a wrong, but it can ease hurt or pain to a degree. Doing positive things even much later can help balance the scales so to speak. Peace

[pljames]

Karma we get back what we give out. That's a truth if I ever heard it. There's mysteries out there in the world we wonder about. To me that's one. The law of attraction come to mind. You are what you think and such. I am begining to wonder if we are more than the sum of our parts? Know thyself is a life experience. I am proud to be part of this forum. Thoughts please. pljames

I would say you have contributed in a positive way. You use the knowledge you have and you have tried to keep your threads on topic. I also would say you were respectful of other peoples ideas and opinions. Even when they may not be the same as yours. You have been willing to learn. Most importantly you haven't tried to force your opinions on others.

As far as past deeds? Karma is real. We get back what we give out. The seeds we sow produce the fruit we bear. Everyone has made mistakes. No one is perfect. Realizing we have made an error and trying to not repeat it is a sign of maturity. If possible trying to make emends usually won't undo a wrong, but it can ease hurt or pain to a degree. Doing positive things even much later can help balance the scales so to speak. Peace

[S. Earl Martin]

We are more than the sum of our parts because we are sentient. Like a pebble dropped in water? Our actions radiate out either good or evil. Other life forms are not really conscious of right or wrong. Good or evil. Humans can be. A frog jumps in the water it isn't aware of what happens. Only so much as it is trying to get away from a snake trying to eat it. Is the snake evil? No it is just trying to get food. Now if a human sees the snake and just kills it just because, is that evil? Is the human really trying to protect it self? Or is it doing it for the momentary thrill of killing something? Either way the action has an effect that radiates out in the enviornment. Because we are aware of how we effect other things. It makes us responsible. Karma is there to teach us if we are willing to learn. Peace Earl

[pljames]

Excellent post. pl

We are more than the sum of our parts because we are sentient. Like a pebble dropped in water? Our actions radiate out either good or evil. Other life forms are not really conscious of right or wrong. Good or evil. Humans can be. A frog jumps in the water it isn't aware of what happens. Only so much as it is trying to get away from a snake trying to eat it. Is the snake evil? No it is just trying to get food. Now if a human sees the snake and just kills it just because, is that evil? Is the human really trying to protect it self? Or is it doing it for the momentary thrill of killing something? Either way the action has an effect that radiates out in the enviornment. Because we are aware of how we effect other things. It makes us responsible. Karma is there to teach us if we are willing to learn. Peace Earl

[S. Earl Martin]

Everyone has a part to play. Each one of us has something to offer. Just because someone else may have a different gift? Doesn't make them more or less important.

[pljames]

I am trying to find out what part I play in this life/world. Am I destined to become something or/or my circumstances by experience create my personal destiny? The known I feel good with but the unknown raises questions. pl

[S. Earl Martin]

Our life is a journey along the way we experience many things. Sometimes we do not know were the journey takes us. Sometimes we do.

I am trying to find out what part I play in this life/world. Am I destined to become something or/or my circumstances by experience create my personal destiny? The known I feel good with but the unknown raises questions. pl

Along the way we chose the path we take, but sometimes unexpected things happen. Are you destined to become something? You are something. You are who you chose to be. Who you are meant to be, but you can change direction. I believe you are already doing that. Your posts here show that is true. The unknown can be scarey. What will happen if? It also can make life exciting. When trials come my wife and I would try and laugh. We would say "at least it isn't boring". 

[S. Earl Martin]

Sakoz this is exactly what I was talking about. Your statement has nothing to do with the thread topic. It is the same crap you are posting on other threads. If your information doesn't pretain to the topic? Do not try and highjack the topic!!!!! Or I will recommend you be banned again.

[S. Earl Martin]

I am not messing with the messenger. That is just you trying to get attention. Poor Sakoz. Mean Earl is picking on him. Please! Each thread has a specific flow of information. It is about a certain topic. You post your same stuff on threads all over. That shows you want this to be about you. As I stated you want this to be the Sakoz show. Keep your information on topics that pretain to the information. My bias isnt blocking anything. I see a small minded little man who is screaming for attention. He has found this sight and is trying to make it his own personal stage. That is why no matter what people post you ignore the topic and plaster your same message over and over. Your whole message is either just plane nonsense or is just common sense.

If someone asked something on another thread? Post the answer on that thread. Are you really that stupid that you can't see that is how it works? 

[S. Earl Martin]

I am using the common sense I have. That is how I have repeatedly given you insight into the flaws in your lack of logic. I suggest you start using yours and follow the rules placed here or you will only have yourself to blame for the concequences. The very nature of your secret information that even you can't see is ridicules. It is a ploy, a scam, an act. "Look at me I'm Sakoz." I have this secret information I don't even know. If you submit to the will of the almighty Sakoz. Then you cannot know it too! PLEASE!
It is all Bull Shit!!!!

[S. Earl Martin]

Oh I see now you are a licesed Psychologist able to make clinical diagnose? Hey maybe you can actually treat yourself. After all being delusional is a serious problem.

Like your little please pray for Earl ploy. That is the same dodge as the I am doing this for the good of humanity. False piety to gain sympathy. Are you trying to start a cult. That's it the Sakoz cult. Population one!

I didn't miss anything. I/we have accknowledged that false thoughts etc. can cause problems. You still aren't listening. PRACTICAL APPLICATION!

[S. Earl Martin]

I am not reacting to unfavorable images. I am reacting to you butting in to a beautiful conversation and turning the discussion to make it all about you again. That is not a false image. It is exactly what is happening. You are the one with the false image thinking you are doing some noble cause. When it is obvious to everyone, but yourself you are accomplishing the exact opposite that you claim to be accomplishing. You are not helping anyone. You are not discovering some secret knowledge about false thoughts causeing people pain. You are stateing the obvious and creating a delussion in your own mind that it is some great discovery. Your information is common knowledge and delussion.

I do not need to read the #25 again. I understand it perfectly. It is a very simple example of what you are saying. It is just that. It shows exactly what I have been telling you. People are imperfect and they make mistakes. You claim to have some knowledge that is supposed to help people avoid those mistakes. I have seen no evidence of that. You just talk a lot and don't say anything. 

[S. Earl Martin]

What if the 'mistakes' we make are the result of 'learned habits' that are not efficacious?

Yeah what if? I admitted that months ago that that in fact does happen. So What! As I have told you over and over. That is stateing the obvious. The problem is all you do is point out the problem. You offer no solutions. You make claims that you have them, but when pressed for answers you say things like. Oh I prefer to let people figure that out on their own and stuff like that. That is an avoidance reaction. In reality you have no answers and you are stalling hoping myself or someone else will come up with them. PRACTICAL APPLICATION!!!

So I answered your question now truthfully answer mine. pljames and I were haveing a conversation about something else. You claim that you posted here to answer pljames question. You and I both know that isn't true. What was your motivation to interupt us and make this all about you and your "ideas"? 

The only practical way the problem could be illiminated I can see? Would be if people became Cyborgs. To be connected to a computer and have every thought and action checked by a computer. The problem with that is we would loose individuality. Have you noticed how all the music sounds similar? All country and rock or whatever sounds like all the other country and rock. Not exactly, but much more similar than in years past. That is because it is all written on computers now. So it uses the same programs and software. The same thing would occur in all of reality if people became Cyborgs. So guess what. People are becomeing Cyborgs. All these devices we can't live without are controlling us and we have become addicted to them. Just think what it will be like in a few years. People will be directly connected to computers all the time. You will have to ask your computer if you can go to the bathroom. Then they won't need us anymore and we become obsolete. Survival of the fittest.

[S. Earl Martin]

You are again trying to gain sympathy with false piety. It is another attempt to avoid the truth. What I have said is true. You have no solution to these problems. You are not interested in even trying to find one. If you did then the Sakoz show would end and your 15 minutes of fame would be over. You think I said what I did to be mean? No I said what I said because it is TRUE! You are like chicken little " the sky is falling the sky is falling". Instead of actually warning anyone about anything useful. You are just doing it like the boy who cried wolf. To get attention. As I have stated over and over. False images do exist. People feel pain and anxiety because of believed thoughts. We get it. Just pointing out that that happens is actually causeing anxiety in the very people you are warning. Without a solution you are just causeing the very thing you are claiming to be trying to prevent. The irony is you are filled with false images about what you are doing and the worth of the information you are purporting. Without a solution to the problem you are just a noisy squeak. Like a song stuck in your head that won't go away. You are causeing the very problem you think you are warning people about.

Time and again I have pointed out how you use avoidance reaction to avoid dealing with anything that conflicts with what you are saying or purporting. If something points out a flaw in your logic. You ignore it and claim you are not letting the information cause wrong thoughts. Or you fain holier than though I am so superior to that. "If you only knew how wonderful I am you would be impressed". That is what you are doing now. I am pointing out errors in your logic. You are ignoring it and claiming I am being mean. Again avoidance reaction. Just because you avoid dealing with a problem? Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[S. Earl Martin]

Practical application is not necessarily a conscious process. So you are again in error. Now as I stated over and over. The only practical way you could remedy this problem would be:
1. Have perfect people. Not practical
2. Human cyborgs. We are headed in that direction.
3. Think about what you do before you do it and think about what you say before you say it. Or as Daniel Boone used to say. "Make sure you are right and then go ahead".
4. Keep track of the 4 what's.
What you know
What you think you know
What you don't know
What you can't know.
That is what I do and it has worked for me for years. While other people are stareing blankly with no idea of what is going on. I use these 4 to deduce what is happening and how to deal with it. If the woman in the example would have used these she would have been better prepared. Or do I know it is a snake? Do I think it is a snake? Can I know if it is a snake? Let me carefully investigate. That is the most control we can have as far as information access. It is the same method detectives use, but I put it in a practical form.

[S. Earl Martin]

Now to alter a thought before a person is even conscious of having it would only be possible by altering the basic belief system of the person having the thought? That way they would not have the thought to begin with. Because their personality and belief would preclude having it in the first place. If you could pull that off that would be a practical solution, but psychologists have been trying to do that since the field began and no one has figured out how to do it as far as I know. When people are maturing they form their basic personality and belief system. When they reach adulthood they are pretty much set and any major changes take some major event. Usually a trama or a change in occupation. Level of education something that causes a major forced shift. On a rare occasion counseling can succeed. The person has to be aware of the change and willing to make it. It is easier to learn to change the thought/action paradiagm at the moment of the thought becomeing conscious. An example would be someone who has a bad habit. When the habit starts to occur they learn that it is bad and consciously stop doing it. This would be more practical. 

[S. Earl Martin]

Believeing is done by aquired knowledge or experience usually. Sometimes we may believe something for no reason. Or on false information. Such as the woman in the example. Again if she would have used the 4 whats to do a more through investigation the results would potentially been more in her favor.

[pljames]

Go Earl. Right on. I hear ya. Yea! Your post got me excited. Great post. pl

[S. Earl Martin]

Again the biggest problem is still the altering something that you are not conscious of. The problem is unless you are conscious of it you are not aware it is even there. So the alteration would have to be preemptive. In other words you would need to take a preventitive approach to stop it before it started.

I can't believe you really think this is possible? I will allow you to lead me down the rabbit hole. Because I had a really bad day yesterday and I kinda took it out on you. So to balance the karma. I will humor you.

[pljames]

  I for the first time in my life I am understand me. Scary tho. Because of my pysche major wife and this forum, the phrase (know thyself comes to mind). I am beside myself. I feel so enlightened I am starting to babble. Thinking about hanging out my shingle. pl

[S. Earl Martin]

You miss the point. I do not mean that the subliminal thought process etc. is not possible. I am very familar with how it works as well as polygraphs etc. I actually helped my wife who was a paralegal prepare a case as to why someone should not be required to take one. I mean the after the fact of altering a thought before you have thought it etc. Altering the subconscious without becomeing conscious of the fact you are doing it. That part. As I said this is something people have been trying to do for a long time and I do not see a practical way of doing it.

Specifically # 28

[S. Earl Martin]

You learn to walk and talk by imitating other people. Even Helen Keller couldn't do those things until she was shown by her teacher. There is no such thing as innate body intellegence? If so show me proof? We learn the majority of our information by copying other people by direct or indirect example. Some we get by trial an error.

[Alexandre]

S. Earl Martin... I've exchanged posts with you and I can tell you that I understand your frustration when dealing with Sakoz.

May I offer you a piece of advice: do not play along with him, it will get you nowhere, and get back to the main issue of this post... as I will now.

Pljames: though I have only been a member for a short amount of time, I've noticed that you have some insightful thoughts that have indeed got me thinking. Just keep it coming and I'll do the same.

[S. Earl Martin]

Alexandre: I understand where you are coming from. I have been going round and round with Sakoz. I by nature like to help people and I am going to try again to help him with his ideas. He has made progress in his understanding of psychology and I am trying to either prove or disprove his theories.

Sakoz: What you are refering to is information encoded in our genitic code. I have never heard of that being refered to as IBI. You do not learn to walk or talk by IBI. Geneticly encoded information  is only understood to a limited degree by science. What it is responsible for is debatable. Heart beat, digestion, growth, many different things. It is actually very similar instinct. Not learned behavior. I have explained how that is done. Although as more of the genome is unlocked it is becomeing clear that our bodies are capable of much more than originally thought. So it might be possible that somewhere in our code we might be able to use it to avoid the things you are refering to. That is theoretical at best. Again it comes down to practical application. How would IBI be applicable to your ideas? 

[Alexandre]

S. Earl: What you're doing is admirable, I would have quit ways back.

[pljames]

The insites come from my pschye major wife and this forum. I am estatic about contributing something and learn at the same time. I have a tendency to go overboard (and I do). pl

S. Earl Martin... I've exchanged posts with you and I can tell you that I understand your frustration when dealing with Sakoz.

May I offer you a piece of advice: do not play along with him, it will get you nowhere, and get back to the main issue of this post... as I will now.

Pljames: though I have only been a member for a short amount of time, I've noticed that you have some insightful thoughts that have indeed got me thinking. Just keep it coming and I'll do the same.

[pljames]

Sakov,
 You have my vote. It has taken sixtey eight years to learn and believe this. pl