Author Topic: Awarness (Read 1417 times)

DMTisESP · « **on:** June 03, 2011, 01:15:37 PM »

I came up with this in channeling or meditation.

First there is Single level Awareness, existing in the x axis (Living in the moment being in the now, no past, no future, where you want to be in many cases, it is a good state of awareness there is only the now, the present - a blood cell perhaps or a bug, mindfulness, a good friend mentioned mindfulness to me.

Then the next level is 2 Dimensional Awareness. Awareness of Awareness x, y axis, (René Descartes - cogito ergo sum - I think therefore I am - We are separate or separated)

Then 3 Dimensional Awareness, which is Awareness of Awareness of Awareness x,y,z axis (Tu me ergo sum ego - You are me, therefore I am You - Oneness) We are all One, We are all the same person.

Then 4 Dimensional Awareness, which I would speculate, You would defiantly know better than me, Awareness of Awareness of Awareness of Awareness x,y,z,g axis, God Consciousnesses, Deus mihi, sed Deo sum - God is Me, But I am not God or Deus omnia mea, sed non omnia mihi Dei - God is all of Me, But I am not all of God, and so on, I am going from my own experience, you could change it to your understanding of God or Higher Level Conscious Awareness.

I still have to check the Latin translations I hope their correct and I don't look foolish?

I had a video to share but I can not post links to youtube can anyone post a link to my video describing this?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjfnj6GLFc[/youtube]

voodoo scientist · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2011, 01:53:51 PM »

This seems to correspond roughly to notions of awareness, cognition and metacognition.It's not meaningful to speak of the fourth "meta-meta" cognition, since metacognition accomodates that notion as well - though there would be nothing intrinsically wrong with such a theoretical framework, it's just not necessary. Strictly speaking, they are likely not hierarchically arranged in the manner you propose, but rather co-extant processes resembling feedback loops.

In greatly simplified terms (and it's really not going to be that simple, so hang on to your hat and glasses), an "awareness process" might be a biological feedback loop that reacts to an outside stimuli, such as retinas reacting to light. When light enters the retina, this produces an output in the "light awareness process" - this makes the organism "aware" of light. This output from the "light awareness process" is then interpreted by cognitive processes, along with other feedback loops, and the output is interpreted both by the originating awareness processes (e.g. in the form of bias) as well as by metacognitive processes, in an interdependent network.

This is obviously much more difficult to wrap your head around than a simple hierarchy, so you may want to apply rational faculties rather than attempting to get there in a trance.

SWM · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2011, 03:18:21 PM »

Quote from: DMTisESP on June 03, 2011, 01:15:37 PM

I had a video to share but I can not post links to youtube can anyone post a link to my video describing this?

if you type your link without http://www. and i will edit the link. or pm me with the link and i will post it.

sakoz · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2011, 05:29:43 PM »

Who can clarify the difference between 'awareness' and 'consciousness'? Dictionary uses the two words synonymously.
Awareness can be 'focused' down to a specific 'item' or diffused to a panoramic 'set'. We do either while conscious.
I focus my awareness on these words, while my body is conscious of any 'significant' changes in my surroundings.

pert -5 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:29:09 PM »

Quote from: sakoz on June 03, 2011, 05:29:43 PM

Who can clarify the difference between 'awareness' and 'consciousness'?

Let's do it dude. You have a penchant for churning out ideas and I have my way with words. We'll concretize these suckers. Let's make the myths man.

sakoz · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:42:06 PM »

pert-5; Hummm? cool, tell me more.
Have you read my last two posts ,#7 and #8, in "A-ha; unification at meta-perspective?

When you 'trace back' to where thoughts come from (two sources, recycled and original) the source of original ones, you find 'formless energy' to convert into thought, unlimited 'supply'.
I speculate, but it seems we have 'access' to "creation" at least of thoughts. "Evolution" used the same 'source', etc.

Even if this is just another myth, by believing it, stimulates me to "churn out ideas".

"Behold, man the myth maker"

lol

Enigma · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2011, 07:38:03 PM »

Quote from: sakoz on June 03, 2011, 05:29:43 PM

Who can clarify the difference between 'awareness' and 'consciousness'? Dictionary uses the two words synonymously.
Awareness can be 'focused' down to a specific 'item' or diffused to a panoramic 'set'. We do either while conscious.
I focus my awareness on these words, while my body is conscious of any 'significant' changes in my surroundings.

The words conscious or consciousness refers to two related but distinct definitions. The first meaning refers to the directly accessible realm of thought that is active during our waking state. This is where where internal dialogue, stream of consciousness, mental imaging, remembering, introspection, and input from the visual system are monitored and consulted to influence behavior.

The second meaning of consciousness corresponds to awareness: awareness of sensory data and their characteristics. Philosophy of the mind calls these phenomenal characteristics qualia, or "raw sensory feels". Consider, for example, a cold glass of beer. The qualia would be the rich amber color, the cold wet feeling of the condensation on the glass, the bitter hoppy taste and smell. These qualia are interpreted subjectively in the conscious realm of thoughts mentioned above.

sakoz · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2011, 11:40:02 PM »

Enigma; interesting; How do you go from 'conscious' to 'realm of thought' in one 'leap'?
"The first meaning refers to the directly accessible realm of thought that is active during our waking state." ( I'm glad you used the word "accessible" because some thoughts are subliminal) implying 'consciousness' is a "container", some thoughts IN and some thoughts OUT; but that's only one "aspect", consciousness is "much more". Consciousness can imbue thought, making it seem real, unlike the written word that just "lays there" on the paper. When we read thoughts , we 'seemingly imbibe' the 'intended thought'.
We are born 'conscious', devoid of thought, till we learn language/thinking.
As to "qualia'; might as well mention "schemata' also, they interact or 'work' together.
A phenomenon that 'puzzles' me. Let's see if I can word it correctly. When consciousness 'imbues' a thought and the thought is 'believed', it's not recognized as a thought but as if it were 'reality'. When consciousness is "out" of the thought, the thought is clearly observed as a thought. I tried for months to explain why/how we react to images of our own making. It appears to me, consciouness is a big factor in that phenomenon. You a student of 'philosophy of mind', can you shed some 'light' on that? I've been using the word 'perspective' first and second order or meta. But "shifting" consciousness also seems 'fitting' or 'levels of consciouness'. "Consciouness" shifts perspective to meta level. " Can't see the forest for the trees"; too close?

sakoz · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2011, 05:47:19 PM »

DMTisESP; Your post "percolated" in me, so I post 'this'; Buddha " was about ending human suffering", via detachment. Did we miss his point?
If the word "Meta" was not available in the language of his era, he could not use it. "Detachment" has similar connotations. Detachment/shifting to meta-level.
'Detachment' can be considered "remote-healing", because that's the EFFECT.
"Understanding" depersonalizes the "event', ( cause, etc.).
We 'talk' of 'levels'; if I talk of levels 3&4, I would refer to them as 1&2 in relation to each other. The 'levels' are asymmetrical, from top down; no bottom up. That's why no matter how much you "think", you can't "will"yourself 'up'.
As to 'relieve suffering', both psychological and physical. Some people, when severly tortured or being raped, with no escape, can "escape" or rather relieve some of the pain by out-of-body-experience.
It seems like Jesus and martyrs dying 'is a big deal'; until you recognize OBE and meta-perspective. They can 'ease/relieve' pain and suffering but in the end all organisms do perish.

HexHammer · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2011, 08:03:14 PM »

Quote from: DMTisESP on June 03, 2011, 01:15:37 PM

I came up with this in channeling or meditation.

First there is Single level Awareness, existing in the x axis (Living in the moment being in the now, no past, no future, where you want to be in many cases, it is a good state of awareness there is only the now, the present - a blood cell perhaps or a bug, mindfulness, a good friend mentioned mindfulness to me.

Then the next level is 2 Dimensional Awareness. Awareness of Awareness x, y axis, (René Descartes - cogito ergo sum - I think therefore I am - We are separate or separated)

Then 3 Dimensional Awareness, which is Awareness of Awareness of Awareness x,y,z axis (Tu me ergo sum ego - You are me, therefore I am You - Oneness) We are all One, We are all the same person.

Then 4 Dimensional Awareness, which I would speculate, You would defiantly know better than me, Awareness of Awareness of Awareness of Awareness x,y,z,g axis, God Consciousnesses, Deus mihi, sed Deo sum - God is Me, But I am not God or Deus omnia mea, sed non omnia mihi Dei - God is all of Me, But I am not all of God, and so on, I am going from my own experience, you could change it to your understanding of God or Higher Level Conscious Awareness.

I still have to check the Latin translations I hope their correct and I don't look foolish?

I had a video to share but I can not post links to youtube can anyone post a link to my video describing this?

I thought this was a psychology forum, not a philosophy/religious forum where less scientific things are admissible.

sakoz · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2011, 08:36:55 PM »

Compartmentalization/specilization can be limiting, in the realm of ideas. Cross-fertilization of thoughts can be benefical. Example; mechanical heart pumps, etc.
"Specilalists' have there own 'jargon'; which is specific, but a side effect is to keep 'others' out, "protecting their turf".
Your; " less scientific things are admissible", reveals your bias that goes with the "territory' of 'specialists'.

pert -5 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2011, 09:37:59 PM »

Very well said sakoz.

HexHammer · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2011, 10:56:25 PM »

Quote from: sakoz on June 06, 2011, 08:36:55 PM

Compartmentalization/specilization can be limiting, in the realm of ideas. Cross-fertilization of thoughts can be benefical. Example; mechanical heart pumps, etc.
"Specilalists' have there own 'jargon'; which is specific, but a side effect is to keep 'others' out, "protecting their turf".
Your; " less scientific things are admissible", reveals your bias that goes with the "territory' of 'specialists'.

That would be like talking about architecture when working as a car mechanic, the one has little to do with the other, though there are some vague similarities.

sakoz · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2011, 11:27:53 PM »

You seem to be 'stuck' in specialization,(even if the same person architect/mechanic). FUNCTION is the issue.
The heart surgeon says to the mechanical engineer;"Here's how the heart FUNCTIONS; can you build a device that FUNCTIONS the same way?" Voi-la, heart-pump.
You may have "hardening of the categories". lol

HexHammer · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2011, 12:21:10 AM »

Quote from: sakoz on June 06, 2011, 11:27:53 PM

You seem to be 'stuck' in specialization,(even if the same person architect/mechanic). FUNCTION is the issue.
The heart surgeon says to the mechanical engineer;"Here's how the heart FUNCTIONS; can you build a device that FUNCTIONS the same way?" Voi-la, heart-pump.
You may have "hardening of the categories". lol

Excellent anology, but the world doesn't evolve around this heartpump, you can't really go out in the real life solving problems with it, sorry.

If you actually read OP carefully, it will make little sence in a strict psychological sense, nor does it really fit neurology, why I suggest his kind of thinking are better suited in a philosophy forum where things doesn't have to fit any scientific understanding.

If I may direct a critique at your heartpump anology, is that OP seems uneducated, and only make up assumptions, how would you like to have surgery by an uneducated person who pose surgeon? Or have your car repaired by an uneducated mechanic, who will have no idea how to fix your breaks or faulty tires ..etc?

voodoo scientist · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:33:55 AM »

Quote from: sakoz on June 06, 2011, 08:36:55 PM

Compartmentalization/specilization can be limiting, in the realm of ideas. Cross-fertilization of thoughts can be benefical. Example; mechanical heart pumps, etc.
"Specilalists' have there own 'jargon'; which is specific, but a side effect is to keep 'others' out, "protecting their turf".
Your; " less scientific things are admissible", reveals your bias that goes with the "territory' of 'specialists'.

Technical jargon serves a different purpose altogether, actually: to keep a technical debate from turning into a semantical debate. Jargon lets specialists communicate with each other about ambiguous topics without first defining them very precisely. Although it might appear that way at first glance, it doesn't actually increase the barrier of entry to communication, since otherwise one would have to define one's own terms (much more difficult/time consuming than learning the established jargon) before one can meaningfully communicate.

That specialization can be a hindrance to innovation is uncharacteristically sensible of you to say. There's a great deal of focus on interdisciplinarity in modern academia (especially the past 5-10 years), and it really seems like a lot of our progress today is coming at least in part from the coming together of multiple specialists. The heart example above is a good one, though it can also be much more fundamental than that, such as the heart specialist saying to the mechanic, "This is how the heart functions," and the mechanical specialist saying, "I can make a more efficient car engine with that principle."

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #16 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:09:52 PM »

I find it interesting how the original statement mentions meditation and toward the end it moves to a strictly scientific requirement. Personally I find everyones input on this sight useful. Even if I don't agree, the way other people think and react in of it self is a psychological exercise. This discussion I find facinating. I love this sight because unlike so many other sights I have experienced the level of intellect is far superior. How it weeds out the people who think they are smart and those who really are. Please continue!

Enigma · « **Reply #17 on:** June 09, 2011, 08:01:35 PM »

Pretty sure I transcended 4 Dimensional Awareness last time I ate acid.

Zepher08 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2011, 11:53:25 PM »

"I thought this was a psychology forum" Hex

Actually it can be looked at as Buddhist psychology because YES Sidartha was working with exactly what is being talked about here. It is about mind training, attention and identification. The so called spiritual aspects come in as consciousness changes or expands into something else other than the experience of ego and projection. I just love the words "something else".

HexHammer · « **Reply #19 on:** June 11, 2011, 12:17:16 AM »

Quote from: Zepher08 on June 10, 2011, 11:53:25 PM

"I thought this was a psychology forum" Hex

Actually it can be looked at as Buddhist psychology because YES Sidartha was working with exactly what is being talked about here. It is about mind training, attention and identification. The so called spiritual aspects come in as consciousness changes or expands into something else other than the experience of ego and projection. I just love the words "something else".

Quote from: Zepher08 on June 10, 2011, 11:53:25 PM

"I thought this was a psychology forum" Hex

Actually it can be looked at as Buddhist psychology because YES Sidartha was working with exactly what is being talked about here. It is about mind training, attention and identification. The so called spiritual aspects come in as consciousness changes or expands into something else other than the experience of ego and projection. I just love the words "something else".

Many of these Buddhist psychology are mere pseudo-ramblings at best, it's beautiful rethorics that will seduce many.
Sure there are indeed some of these ideas that still holds true today, but they are few and far between. But objectivly spoken there are also things that will dwarf modern psychology, as many of the eastern buddhist can do far better in accessing the subconcious autonome system, as in controlling heart beat, bio rythms, metabolism ..etc.

DMTisESP · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2011, 05:15:37 PM »

Hi all here is my video link without the www in front of it, BTW I am starting a religion where one Finds Faith.....through Fact, it is cool.

here is the Youtube video without the http and

if some one can put the youtube video with the http and the www in this post so others can see the video I would appreciate it

Oh and peace out.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjfnj6GLFc[/youtube]

sakoz · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2011, 07:19:00 PM »

DMTisESP; I 'like' some of what you say in your video; and as you say;"That's ok, keep an open mind." It seems to me, you take 'too big a step" for public consumption" with talking about levels 3&4 before most people even experience level 2, some had "glimpses"of level 2, and some have a "intellectual grasp" that level two exists.
Would you see my post; "think of a image that disturbs you", or at least the last entry #20. Let me know if I'm on the 'right track.' Level two is 'life changing". I'm willing to "settle "for level two", it's that impressive. etc.

pert -5 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2011, 07:45:14 PM »

I am NOT God, but God is ME. That is the essence of Gnana Yoga (Union by Knowledge). That statement is indicative of not a change in lifestyle but of a change of perspective. That is the sum of spirituality really, an intuitive change in perspective. It's all science driven, if one calls psychology a science. The study of the mind...

Thank God psycho-mother isn't around to see this. She'd say that Jesus=Horus and post a link to Aleister Crowley's Wikipedia page. Crap...

SWM · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2011, 08:29:35 PM »

amen pert5
I was thinking the same I don't intuitively identify with the OP concept of dimensions of consciousness.perspective is more consistent with my experience of these levels of awareness.

a paradigm shift maybe but not sure about dimensions of consciousness.

I was also not sure about identifying with the concepts of awareness of awareness of awareness etc. maybe my experience of consciousness as we are all one and we are all god ( iam that, i am that i am) was something different but similar to the OP.

Id be interested to see the OP's feedback on these points.

sakoz · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2011, 09:05:18 PM »

pert-5; "change of perspective" and "intuitive change of perspective". Right on; That's the essence/crux of therapeutic change, innate/natural. Because the 'shift' is 'intuitive' it can't be 'will-powered' on demand nor prescribed.
Can we "tease it to occur"? or must we wait for 'serendipity/ grace/ epiphany'?

DMTisESP · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2011, 09:48:21 PM »

Quote from: SWM on June 13, 2011, 08:29:35 PM

amen pert5
I was thinking the same I don't intuitively identify with the OP concept of dimensions of consciousness.perspective is more consistent with my experience of these levels of awareness.

a paradigm shift maybe but not sure about dimensions of consciousness.

I was also not sure about identifying with the concepts of awareness of awareness of awareness etc. maybe my experience of consciousness as we are all one and we are all god ( iam that, i am that i am) was something different but similar to the OP.

Id be interested to see the OP's feedback on these points.

I can't describe awareness of awareness of awareness, 3 dimensions of awareness, to people that have only ever experienced awareness of awareness 2 Dimensions of awareness, just like someone with 2 Dimensions of awareness cannot describe their experience to someone who has all their life experienced one dimension of awareness.

Before I go any further I fully understand the scientific method, Observation, Theory, Prediction and Evidence. But this is soooooo new and studies are not allowed on DMT's relationship to these 4 dimensions of awareness. So I don't think I can argue others understanding and saying I am the Right One, it is all relitive and thought isn't what we think it is, this I know....So I ask...

How to describe color to a blind man?

You live in a cold dark cave with many people, you have never seen light in your entire life. There are people in the cave that have seen “the light” and they speak of it. You fully trust these people and believe that one day you will experience the light. In the mean time you try to grasp what they are talking about, but you cannot fully comprehend how your eyes can feel objects at a distance without directly touching the object. It is so alien to you, “what does sight feel like?” you keep asking yourself. You feel one day you will experience this light.

· Waiting for an experience to occur that you have not yet experienced is Blind Faith.

One day you are fumbling around the cave and accidently hit the light switch and the light shines. You see this light for the first time, seeing is believing after all. You see the Light they talk about, you experience it. Experience is Belief.

· Belief is experiencing an experience

The light is off again, you fumble around in the dark looking for the switch, but you now have Faith that when you find the switch again and flip it again that the Light will shine.

· Faith is waiting for an experience to occur that you have experienced before.

So how do you describe color to a blind man? You can’t you can only show him where the light switch is, and the light switch today on this Planet is dimethyltryptamine - DMT .

pert -5 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 13, 2011, 10:09:08 PM »

Say it. Do it. But what good do you ever receive for saying it?

SWM · « **Reply #27 on:** June 13, 2011, 11:26:55 PM »

how do you know that the man is blind?

DMTisESP · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2011, 04:43:06 PM »

Quote from: SWM on June 13, 2011, 11:26:55 PM

how do you know that the man is blind?

Sorry I don't understand, am I being over simplified? I would guess because he doesn't see him self as me but I see myself as him? Is this what you are asking?

DMTisESP · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:06:49 PM »

Quote from: Enigma on June 09, 2011, 08:01:35 PM

Pretty sure I transcended 4 Dimensional Awareness last time I ate acid.

Yes LSD I would bet allows you to experience the other awareness that do in fact exist, I bet again that the LSD gets one to at times produce DMT, But I am afraid we will never know that as there was only one serious study ever done by Dr Rick Strassman, every other DMT Study in the late 50's I believe were not really any good, Dr Strassman did the best one. Today no Researcher on earth is willing to give up eating their steak in this matrix to do a study and enlighten us....THANKS Dr Strassman for your Hard work and scarifice, the 4th dimension of awareness thanks you

Thank GOD our Authority's are Keeping us safe by not allowing study's of DMT's relationship to ESP and the other Dimensions of awareness that I described in my video, god could you imagine if DMT ever made mainstream processed media that we were in fact all one? What a horrific world it would be, no money, no war, no poverty, no greed, Thank God for Authority is all I can say and thank God Authority is keeping us all Safe, as it is good to be safe, Safety safety safety, safety first

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Author Topic: Awarness (Read 1417 times)