Finishing a sentence in our mind.

[pljames]

 ???How does our mind know how to go from thought then finish with a complete sentence? It also does this when speaking or writing. pljames

[SWM]

can you elaborate on this idea. maybe give an example of what you are thinking about.

[pljames]

can you elaborate on this idea. maybe give an example of what you are thinking about.

I cannot see my thoughts only when I write them dowm. I never know what I am going to say even in my mind until I finish the sentence. It seems to me the mind understands the word and gives you the next word and some how the sentence.  How does it know to do this? pljames

[SWM]

oh right, i think i get what your asking.

your mind, as you are referring to it here might be better understood as cognition. ie thoughts, images, memories that are in conscious awareness.  in truth this is only a small part of your consciousness.

the speaking that takes place in your head is like a commentary to the events of your life, your perceptions and the functions of your body and brain.

our brain processes information much faster than we can think about it.

at anyone moment your brain is recieving billions of sensory signals from your body and brain, and is instantaenoulsy processing, sorting, filtering and selecting what kind of information to process and in what way.

the thoughts that come into conscious awareness i.e. those sentences that you repeat in your head,  are simply your mind processing verbally or cognitively the functional outcomes of the of your brains processes. 

simple example. the thought "i am hungry" is a result of your brain processing the signals of your body and relaying further signals to your peripheral nervous system which is then again attended to by the brain with your awareness being focused on the sensations in your belly and the cognitive result is you verbalising the information that the brain is processing.

this is a simple example and these processes become extremely complicated when other factors are included.

[pljames]

Or perhaps we are born in a language factory from birth. As we grow the mind programs what we understand from birth to death. We see hear touch and from that the mind programs all of it. Our knowledge is put into our mind and processed. Thoughts? pljames

can you elaborate on this idea. maybe give an example of what you are thinking about.

[pljames]

We are born into a language society. We hear then see the feel language. As we grow our brain which learns as does our mind acts accordingly. We are bombared with language. Suppose the mind accepts this and and assorbs all language from site hearing etc. We are the language until we die. Just a trhought. pljames

[SWM]

i dont think we are the language. maybe you experience yourself as the language. i can understand how you might feel that.

i personally know, i am definitely not the language. i am an observer of the language that arrives in my mind, sometimes director and sometimes creator of the language. as the observer, creator or director of the language i am something more than the langauge.

[SWM]

you said above that the mind programmes what we understand from birth to death.

i wonder how do you conceptualise the relationship between mind and brain?
and what do you think constitutes mind, at least some of the important components that constitute mind?   

[pljames]

The brain is biological. The mind is (for a better word Spiritual). I understand the brain and neurology. But to me the mind is a learning mind. My theory is inside our brain is a storage unit which the mind draws from. How can the electronic neurons turn into invisible thoughts?  In our stored brain there's got to be millions of words that we have seen heard through out our lifetime. Yet they work together. What about metaphysics the law of attraction or mind over matter they relate as well. pljames

[Enigma]

The brain is biological. The mind is (for a better word Spiritual).

Wrong word, unless you're a Cartesian dualist.  The word you want is mental.

I understand the brain and neurology. But to me the mind is a learning mind. My theory is inside our brain is a storage unit which the mind draws from. How can the electronic neurons turn into invisible thoughts?  In our stored brain there's got to be millions of words that we have seen heard through out our lifetime. Yet they work together. What about metaphysics the law of attraction or mind over matter they relate as well. pljames

That's like asking how can the structure of glass turn into fragility.  The brain is much more than a simple "storage unit" that the mind draws from.  What you call the mind (the conscious portion of the brain that is accessed in our every day waking state) is an emergent property of the brain that results from the actions of a variety of systems and constituent subsystems. 

[SWM]

it is very beneficial to take time out now and again and observe your mind. noticing how thoughts move through your mind. paying a greater awareness to your physiological sensations and your sense perceptions. slowing down your "language" based thinking and "looking through" or beyond the language. paying attention to the silence between the words in your mind. notice also the tiny changes in muscles tension in your tongue as your "language" based thinking changes. it is a very beneficial practice to become more in tune with your self.

[pljames]

it is very beneficial to take time out now and again and observe your mind. noticing how thoughts move through your mind. paying a greater awareness to your physiological sensations and your sense perceptions. slowing down your "language" based thinking and "looking through" or beyond the language. paying attention to the silence between the words in your mind. notice also the tiny changes in muscles tension in your tongue as your "language" based thinking changes. it is a very beneficial practice to become more in tune with your self.

How does one observe there mind I cannot see the thoughts to begin with?
"looking through" or beyond the language. paying attention to the silence between the words in your mind.
It would seem what I said about mind memory is all I can concieve about between the words and after the words.
My opinion will have to be limited to what I think now. Beyond language seems to be beyond me. I know nothing but what I have a opinion of.

Side note, Does matter/atoms and such have intelligence? How does "the law of attraction work"? How can I attract from a vision postive feedback from where? Does the electrical impulses from our brain have knowledge? I think I have bit off more than I can understand. I beg all of you for your patiences. pljames

[pljames]

How can I get beyond my mind in between the words or after them? I only feel my answers or somewhat logical (to me). Maybe there are some things we are not suppose to know? My thoughts are just that thoughts and questions. Maybe I have gone overboard on this thread? Thanks for your patience.

Sidenote: Does the electrical impulses in the brain have intelligence? Where in the "law of attraction" does our focus take us and return with a positive answer? Does the atoms in matter have intelligence? pljames

[pljames]

I think of language as a tool to be used. As a artist "feels" there craft, music pottery and such then I use language as I understand it. If you wish, becoming the langauge as part of me, like a craftsman. Divinci saw the finished product in his marble. A painter sees the picture before he paints it. I took from the language what I understood and morphed it to be understood. Therefore I become the language in a sense to understanding it better. I create by using language as a tool that I understand and Feel part of. Hope that helps. Thanks for your patience. You are what you think (kjv). pljames

[SWM]

when you quote somebody you should write outside of the [quotes] so as not to get your comment mixed up with the comment you are quoting.

electrical impulses and law of attraction should be dealt with in another thread perhaps.

How can I get beyond my mind in between the words or after them?

not beyond your mind as much as beyond your language based thinking. you seem to equate your mind with language based thoughts. but your mind is more than your language based thoughts.

there are  many ways that you can get beyond beyond the words. simply observing them firstly. do not make any conscious effort to think thoughts and notice what thoughts arise. notice where those thoughts come from in yourself. can you locate the place in your head where your thought exist as they travel through your mind. where do they go to as they subside. notice how thoughts fit together like a commentary on your experience. notice the space between those thoughts.  the commentary focuses your awareness on the commentary. you pay attention to the thinking and stop paying attnetion to the experience. if the commentary stops your experience does not stop. if the commentary stops you become more aware of your expereince. pay more attention to your experience and less attention to the commentary for minute.

experience the sensations in your body, expereince your sense perceptions. any feeling of your skin touching your clothes, the feelings of your breath in your chest and your throat.

this awareness without thought is your mind. thoughts are like objects that the mind attaches to. as memories are objects that we have stored for later use.

your language based thoughts have a linear dimension. like reading the words of a page of writing but they come from somewhere within yourself. like a train rolling along a track. your mind is not
linear, your mind is multidimensional, your mind is the place that thoughts pass through.

your mind is like a pyramid and you are in the centre. on each side of the pryamid is a different function, each angle a different dimension of mind and at the apex all functions converge. you are an observer of this mind. like an eye in the pyramid able to see all sides, all dimensions and all functions of the mind.

[voodoo scientist]

Your mind isn't a pyramid with the self at the center. It's more like a mix of fluids in a pot.

Each fluid (system and process) is part of the system (mind), are governed by complex fluid dynamics (biology) and interdependent with the pot (environment). Some fluids float more or less freely, directly pushing and prodding the other fluids in complex and non-linear ways, like the self, and some are highly constricted in their movements and only affect the rest of the fluids in subtle ways, like memory, or in reaction to specific conditions, like fight-or-flight.

The short answer to your question seems to be that "you" is not the entirety of the organism you are a part of. The self has no awareness of cell division or liver metabolism, or even less peripheral things like the learning process (in the sense there's no sure way to predict what if any part you'll remember from this post in X time) because it is outside the limited information and bounded rationality of the "self" process.

It's a bit like (though much more complex than) asking why a laser can't detect darkness - an excellent metaphor I read in Blindsight by Peter Watts, which is a great fiction book that explores this kind of subject.

[SWM]

your mind isnt a mix of fluid in a pot, but if the analogy helps you think about it in new and intersting way who cares.

@voodoo i like the analogy much better than my pyramid mind.

[voodoo scientist]

I find it strange you would like it better. A pyramid with the self at the center is a linear and ordered control structure, while a mix of fluids is a chaotically non-linear and dynamic and doesn't lend itself to having anything at the "center." They are, if not opposed, then at least qualitatively different ways of conceptualizing the mind.

[SWM]

different ways of communicating for different levels of understanding.
my analogy over simplified the concept of mind but allowed it to become slightly more complex than a linear train of thougt language based conception of mind.

your analogy of a pot of fluid better explains the ordered chaos of consciousness although neither give a truly accurate picture of what is actually happening.

to make the analogy more accurate the jar would have to be made of liquid too, and the liguids inside the jar would extend beyond the boundaries of the jar.

at this point i wonder why even bother to use an analogy it would be simpler, clearer and more accurate to talk about nervous systems, chemicals and electical impulses.

[pljames]

when you quote somebody you should write outside of the [quotes] so as not to get your comment mixed up with the comment you are quoting.

When I learned the English language I took what I understood and morphed it to my style of writing.  I will watch  it from now on. Thanks pljames





electrical impulses and law of attraction should be dealt with in another thread perhaps.

How can I get beyond my mind in between the words or after them?

not beyond your mind as much as beyond your language based thinking. you seem to equate your mind with language based thoughts. but your mind is more than your language based thoughts.

there are  many ways that you can get beyond beyond the words. simply observing them firstly. do not make any conscious effort to think thoughts and notice what thoughts arise. notice where those thoughts come from in yourself. can you locate the place in your head where your thought exist as they travel through your mind. where do they go to as they subside. notice how thoughts fit together like a commentary on your experience. notice the space between those thoughts.  the commentary focuses your awareness on the commentary. you pay attention to the thinking and stop paying attnetion to the experience. if the commentary stops your experience does not stop. if the commentary stops you become more aware of your expereince. pay more attention to your experience and less attention to the commentary for minute.

experience the sensations in your body, expereince your sense perceptions. any feeling of your skin touching your clothes, the feelings of your breath in your chest and your throat.

this awareness without thought is your mind. thoughts are like objects that the mind attaches to. as memories are objects that we have stored for later use.

your language based thoughts have a linear dimension. like reading the words of a page of writing but they come from somewhere within yourself. like a train rolling along a track. your mind is not
linear, your mind is multidimensional, your mind is the place that thoughts pass through.

your mind is like a pyramid and you are in the centre. on each side of the pryamid is a different function, each angle a different dimension of mind and at the apex all functions converge. you are an observer of this mind. like an eye in the pyramid able to see all sides, all dimensions and all functions of the mind.

[pljames]

When I use the () I am thinking to add something to the sentence and within the sentence. pl

when you quote somebody you should write outside of the [quotes] so as not to get your comment mixed up with the comment you are quoting.

electrical impulses and law of attraction should be dealt with in another thread perhaps.

How can I get beyond my mind in between the words or after them?

not beyond your mind as much as beyond your language based thinking. you seem to equate your mind with language based thoughts. but your mind is more than your language based thoughts.

there are  many ways that you can get beyond beyond the words. simply observing them firstly. do not make any conscious effort to think thoughts and notice what thoughts arise. notice where those thoughts come from in yourself. can you locate the place in your head where your thought exist as they travel through your mind. where do they go to as they subside. notice how thoughts fit together like a commentary on your experience. notice the space between those thoughts.  the commentary focuses your awareness on the commentary. you pay attention to the thinking and stop paying attnetion to the experience. if the commentary stops your experience does not stop. if the commentary stops you become more aware of your expereince. pay more attention to your experience and less attention to the commentary for minute.

experience the sensations in your body, expereince your sense perceptions. any feeling of your skin touching your clothes, the feelings of your breath in your chest and your throat.

this awareness without thought is your mind. thoughts are like objects that the mind attaches to. as memories are objects that we have stored for later use.

your language based thoughts have a linear dimension. like reading the words of a page of writing but they come from somewhere within yourself. like a train rolling along a track. your mind is not
linear, your mind is multidimensional, your mind is the place that thoughts pass through.

your mind is like a pyramid and you are in the centre. on each side of the pryamid is a different function, each angle a different dimension of mind and at the apex all functions converge. you are an observer of this mind. like an eye in the pyramid able to see all sides, all dimensions and all functions of the mind.