Habits Function Autonomously

[sakoz]

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[Alexandre]

I have considered it, it's not easy to accept. I sometimes wake up and go through a whole day, only to ask myself whilst lying in bed getting ready to sleep, what the ___ happened?

Emotions, can't live with them, why live without them? To regulate ones emotions, that's one damn hard thing to do. I do feel that if I manage to get in to a detached state of mind, I can choose, but my emotional and social perspectives are altered. It's difficult to perceive when you are emotionally detached.

And what does "choke vs clutch performance" mean?

[SWM]

we all

when the doors of perception are cleansed man will see things as they truly are... infinite

[SWM]

SWM, Yes; "man will see things as they truly are...."  IN THE MEAN TIME?

when walking walk, when sitting sit, when standing stand, above all, do not wobble.

Yes; "... we all, ..., that is true of the majority ( ok I let a 'generalization' 'slip' in)

at what point did you notice the effects of believing that thought to be real?

but there are a few, very few,

are there few enough to count with your fingers?

[Alexandre]

Well, what if I used the term suppress instead. "Regulate" was a poor choice of a word. Of course what I truly mean is suppression.

Emotions are ineluctable. But if you have the capacity to detach yourself, you gain a increased amount of control. Complete control is a fairytale. Habits function autonomously? Which habits do you mean? Are you talking about the basic disposition of a human being?

[Alexandre]

Emotions are ineluctable, yes. Why the hell would you think that I think that emotions just come into  existence for no reason? Of course there is a trigger! Must I explain the hell out of what I'm saying?

Yes those habits you mention are part of an innate, basic disposition.... Or should I rephrase?

Suppression does offer control for the moment(of course I understand that suppressed emotions will surface. From now on, assume that you are chatting with an intellectual individual).

Back to the matter. I do believe that we need habits and they are essential to our continued functioning. Having to think about everything is very enervating. And now I've lost the thread, re-enlighten me as to what I'm supposed to address...

Was it that habits are bad? Was it that habits can be hurtful? Are they not essential?

[Alexandre]

Well, what assumption drove you to explain to me, that suppressed thoughts surface after a while? This is a psychology forum, I think It'd best to assume that those you engage are at least somewhat intellectual. But really, who doesn't know about suppression and it's consequences, it's almost common sense. But to feel the need to tell me, that emotions need to be triggered, that's beyond me, you must've assumed that I am some kind of retard.

No I haven't read the article. But did you assume that I had?

[Alexandre]

"The habit of believing thoughts" yes, now I get you.

It's a dangerous habit, and interestingly enough(for me), I've started to kick some negative parts of that habit. Whenever negativity comes my way, in the form of slander or a diss, I just analyze it and believe in a different thought: This person doesn't like himself.

Only an insecure person feels the need to attack another person with no real reason.

[Alexandre]

"How much of your experience comes from that source?"

Is this directed at me? If it is or isn't, what do you mean?

[Alexandre]

SAKOZ

I'd like to begin by saying that you confuse me. I'll guess what it ís you mean. No I don't make things, such as slander, up in my head. I have a pretty clear perception, I analyze and deduce, I rarely make assumptions on what other people think or say about me. And if it happens that someone should speak ill of me, well I don't really care(unless it's a close friend or family member).

I have no idea if I'm replying to any question you might have asked

[Alexandre]

Let me flip the coin. What if you perceive what you are saying to be expressed clearly? Is it my perception that's flawed or is it your perception.

You are implying that you perceive things clearly and therefore explain things clearly. I perceive things clearly, well that's a bit of an overstatement. Perhaps I should say that My(my own) perception is clear, for you cannot really have an objective way of looking at things.

The way you structure your arguments, with these stories and such, it doesn't make sense to me. That's all. But I have tried to understand, so if you can elaborate on the initial question or statement, simplify it for me(I'm not implying that I am simple) then we will surely find common ground.

[Alexandre]

Okey

We have all been conditioned, true. You believe false thoughts, very possible. Habits can run autonomously, yes. Some habits aren't in our best interests. Ok, what do you want from me and the others visiting this post. My description of my own bad habits functioning autonomously? To contradict the last statement you made just now?

I don't see what it is that you wish to stir up...

[Alexandre]

I'm not doing something for you, a person whom I don't know in any way. I am to take control of my thinking? Should I report to this post with my results? Yeah that's what you want from me....

[Alexandre]

What you try to share with me is possibly positive, but the way you present it doesn't make any sense, my confusion comes thereof.

I am honestly confused, I've even gone over the posts and perused. Nothing makes sense here. Posts are often argumentative or arbitrary, but this one is simply unclear. You're not asking me to back and forth with you. "Syntax error", you must be an incredibly arrogant person to suggest that I have the wrong hardware and you have the right software. If this isn't what you meant, well then you're confusing. I can't compute what you offer? One of many? Change your presentation,  you can't possibly be blaming the recipient.

Like a flat and round earth believers... and between the lines you call me a retard... Yes I'll choose to continue, of course. Don't be so arrogant. Emotions caused externally or internally? Well they do exist internally, but without the external they wouldn't have a function. The causes are both external and internal, there's always a balance...

[Alexandre]

You must have ignored what I said about you being arrogant, so that you wouldn't realize that you are arrogant, so now you can continue to be arrogant without reflecting on your arrogance.
 
Arrogance, a dangerous trait, for it disguises itself as confidence. Confidence is good, it is vital, it's essential.

[Alexandre]

You really think that I am delusional, that because I don't write shit like... You (sakoz) don't believe the thought that you are arrogant, therefore you remain oblivious and unable to change yourself for the better.

What is your point? YOU are stating the obvious... I believe that you are arrogant and you think that by writing that you understand that I believe in that thought, that you are in some way saying something smart. Yes I will experience an emotion as a result of your thickheadedness... You really don't seem to be able to communicate.

Because of the fact that I am trying to convey my message in a way that you might be able to understand, I probably seem kind of foolish(why do I believe this thought, how many thoughts does it take to screw in a lightbulb?) You are spouting nonsense, and I am forced to spout it back.

[SWM]

this topic is going well.

[Alexandre]

No I didn't convince myself that you are arrogant, that is how I perceive you now. I can't actually know that you are arrogant. It's part of being human, to perceive things and interpret them. There is no objective reality....

I understand where you are. You are analyzing in a way that to me comes off as abstract and strange. No matter how much you'd like me to understand your statements as they are, the fact is that I am human and so are you, that is part of the reason for you misinterpreting so many of my words. You have yourself convinced yourself about a great deal of things by this point, your thought images deceive you, you don't actually understand me, you haven't actually met me halfway(or maybe I haven't met you halfway? difficult to tell)...

The only way we would ever be able to have a reasonable discourse, would be a face to face conversation. That's not happening, and I see no reason for me to linger here, adios my fellow analytic.