How can some people NEVER panic about ANYTHING???

[kyzz]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

There are some people who are always worried about everything! (most people fit into THIS category). They'll say things like:

"What if I fail the exam and not get into University!"
"What if I can't find a job after finishing school!"
"The plane is shaking [going through turbulence] am I going to die?"
"I got into a car accident last week what if I crash again???"
"How will I fight off this speeding ticket I have I'll have no money"
"I lost my job I'm going to end up in a cardboard box!"
...etc etc etc


Then there is Type 2 (the type of people I envy). These people may seem like they just don't care, but it's really just not worrying. Like if they're on a plane and it's going down, they might say "There's nothing I can do, everyone should just relax and let the pilots do their thing". Or if they're fired from a job they 'll just brush it off and say they'll "figure out a way", etc. In other words when **** hits the fan, they don't worry. Or if they do something non-traditional (quit a job when they dont have another backup), they don't worry about what might happen.


Now it's easy to say "just don't panic" but that's simply easier said than done. Is it possible to become like Type 2, or is it something more genetic? How can someone (like most people) who naturally worry about so many things have that attitude of not having so much fear?

Here is a perfect example of a Type 2 Person:
youtube.com/watch?v=MSPsrhCPt-0

[pert -5]

I feel that I'll be chided for this, but oh well.  

The cause of this nonchalant attitude is due to a lack of attachment.  Because we are attached to our corporeal, transient nature is the cause of our sorrow.  Just think about it.  

That or they are idiots.

[SWM]

are you asking how can someone who creates disturbing mental images of the future stop creating disturbing mental images of the future?

i think @sakoz will be having an orgasm about this OP.

[hortonpilot]

When you panic you can't deal with things.

Training and mental set enable cool thinking.

[sakoz]

SWM, your right, but not quite an orgasim, euphoric maybe.
kyzz; Your post "dovetails" with mine (Think of an image that disturbs you)
Each of your examples are assumptions accompanied by images to which the involuntary reacts as if the images were real.

[sakoz]

kyzz; Our involuntary functions on it's own 'recognassance", but we condition it to do so with many habits/conditioning of our choice, (learning to drive cars, type at keyboards, etc,) It also reacts directly to 'beliefs' without practise or repetition.  By believing your examples, your involuntary is reacting at your behest, even though you don't recognize "giving the orders" via those examples,.
You may not believe this, because your don't recognize doing it, but "you" ORCHESTRATE  your panic. (everyone does it the same way). It's a combination of our design/structure and  how we use language/thinking.
With language/thinking we 'evoke' images;- our design/structure is to react to perceptions involuntarily. We don't recognize "tailoring" perceptions by unwittingly believing some of our images are real.

[hortonpilot]

it is all about mode of thinking.

Most people panic because the learn to, others focus because they learn to deal with problems.

Horton

[kyzz]

kyzz; Our involuntary functions on it's own 'recognassance", but we condition it to do so with many habits/conditioning of our choice, (learning to drive cars, type at keyboards, etc,) It also reacts directly to 'beliefs' without practise or repetition.  By believing your examples, your involuntary is reacting at your behest, even though you don't recognize "giving the orders" via those examples,.
You may not believe this, because your don't recognize doing it, but "you" ORCHESTRATE  your panic. (everyone does it the same way). It's a combination of our design/structure and  how we use language/thinking.
With language/thinking we 'evoke' images;- our design/structure is to react to perceptions involuntarily. We don't recognize "tailoring" perceptions by unwittingly believing some of our images are real.

Could you expand on this? Not sure I quite understand it completely, for instance, the idea of "conditioning of our choice"

[sakoz]

kyzz; see some of my other posts. As to "conditioning of our choice", substitute the word "learning" if you like. You choose to learn some things(teachers expect you to learn other things). It takes practise/repetition to learn things. Anything you can do without thinking, you  learned, even walking, etc.  We also have the ability to learn instantly, without practise. Huh? you might wonder. Our involuntary automatically/instintively reacts to "perceptions", but there's a human trick, we can take advantage of that "proclivity" of our involuntary to react to perceptions. We simply "believe" some of our images are real and "bingo", our involuntary can't tell the difference and so reacts to our images. What a "cool" set up. Only we inadvertently, UNWITTINGLY believe some false images, so not only do we fool our involuntary, we even fool our selves, not recognizing our own 'trick', we attribute those reactions to environmental stimulus, another,self deception.  I want you to 'deeply' understand  using something already present. Like flying a kite, we utilize the wind. We humans utilize water flow in  rivers. With a water wheel , the water turns the wheel, the shaft extended, with a belt turns 'devices' (before electricity) etc. Our involuntary already reacts to perceptions, so believe some of our images are real and we utilize it the way we utilize the wind and water. To date, there's a "catch", we can't just think I will believe a inert pill is medicine and take it and feel better, no, we have to be fooled , either by others or ourselves into believing what is not so. And how does that work? How do we mistakenly believe thought-images that don't match 'facts'?
You know the echo effect. We yell "Hello", and sound travels and 'bounces' back. Children can be fooled into believing another person, far off, is calling hello back. Here's the joke on us adults, we do the same thing by "unwittingly" believing our images are real, we react to them. That's more ludicrous than children believe there echo is real. Children don't suffer for their mistake, but we do when we believe some of our images are real.

[sakoz]

kyzz; We humans, GOVERN ourselves with BELIEFS. The constitution is a example. Consider this; when you BELIEVE a thought, that's like a 'article' of your 'private constitution', we make it up as we go along.
Also consider your 'conditioned habits, beliefs' as your private constitution. You use your 'constituion' or add new articles "on the fly".

Another way to explain how we're 'governed' by our beliefs: Are you familar with the 'placebo pill'? The placebo pill is a inert(fake) pill with NO medicinal value, but when a person "mistakenly believes' it's medicine; the belief 'works' and does what the pill is expected to do. Relieves pain. Our involuntary reacts to BELIEFS as it does to "reality".
Your examples that cause panic, think of them as 'placebo pills'; when they are believed true/real, your involuntary reacts to them as if they are inevitable. The panic is needless/useless, a reaction to false but believed thoughts.
What is a 'thought'? Take a close look.
The 'up side' of this is, even if you don't know if a thought is true or false (by advertizers, liers, con artists) just knowing they are thoughts, gives you the option of whether to believe their 'spiel' without question. If you don't question, then your an accomplice to being taken advantage of. It's worst when you do it to yourself with your own false beliefs.
Thought Recognition is the 'key'.

[SWM]

A more psychological view is provided by Adrian Wells in his book Metacognitive therapy for anxiety and depression an excerpt from his book is provided here.

http://psychology-forum.com/counselling-and-psychotherapy-forum/theory-and-nature-of-metacognitive-therapy-by-adrian-wells/msg15383/#msg15383

[thepostman]

the reason people worry about those things listed kyzz and worry about the things they do is they highly value what they represent. they might also operate under a more or less conscious belief that fear increases their performance. it does for some panicky people.

people who aren't that bothered about getting a top rate job, go to work at mcdonalds when they cant find a job
figure they can't save the plane if it's as bad as you make out so they might as well chill or crack a joke about it
stop doing whatever it was that caused the car crash or if it was the other persons fault then realize it's not likely to happen again
go to court and say "can't pay the ticket" reconciled to the possibility they might be in trouble or borrow from friends
and just get another job, bumming off friends until they get one

another question could be why get freaked out about any of that stuff you put in there? but if not going to uni is the scariest thing in your world then maybe it would terrify you