How come we Believe what is not so? Faulty vision?

[SWM]

My "mission" is to point you to your own Wisdom and find all the answers within.

if this is not to help people change then what is the purpose of pointing to peoples own wisdom. if people have their own wisdom why do you presume you have some mission to tell them about it?

do you really think I would tout something I did not know if it "works", without 'testing it myself'?

i did not mention you testing it. are you refering to my comment about you not being able to consistently and/or effectively apply these principles to your own mind.

where i also asked are you aware of your own false images (Faulty vision)? "take a second look."

[sakoz]

At one time , the consensus was that the earth was the center of our solar sysrem,  Copernicus said the sun was, hey Martin I bet some said Copernicus statement was rediculus, just as you say some of mine are, You and SWM represent the consensus very well.

[S. Earl Martin]

Sakoz you are hilarious. I am the one who has pointed out the difference between opinion and fact for months. I have told you exactly how to do a scientific process to try and determine the relevance of your information. And now you imply I am infering that opinion was a bad thing. LOL! When you are making a claim and touting it as some new discovery. It is a requirement that you offer proof. Not your opinion. So in that sense opinion is bad. If you want to be taken seriously you need to offer proof. Copernicus offered extentsive proof that was factual and not his opinion. I seriously think you are delusional and I am tired of dealing with you. Hopefully our new friend hard science can help you. He actually seems to be some what knowledgable.

[SWM]

At one time , the consensus was that the earth was the center of our solar sysrem,  Copernicus said the sun was, hey Martin I bet some said Copernicus statement was rediculus.

you keep repeating the same anecdotes. the earth was flat, the gun was empty, the snake is a rope. move it on, do something with this knowledge. you are not doing anything constructive with it. are you reaching any people and pointing out their own wisdom?

by pointing out that people have faulty thinking you are pointing out that they are defective. by pointing to an untapped wisdom you are pointing out there lack of wisdom. maybe this is true for some people but in your approach to educate people about their faults you are excluding the very people that you are wanting to reach.

directive psychotherapies are structured in such a way to avoid problems coming from authoritative expert therapists and unequal distribution of power in the therapeutic alliance.

[sakoz]

Alexandre: I want to acknowledge you input; thank you. I use most of my questions here like Socrates, he wanted listeners to find the answer in them rather than being told.

[sakoz]

SWM; "do something with this knowledge."  You wrote. How about you "getting" the point being made.?
 Yes, I am 'pointing people to their own wisdom'.  Even you have wisdom, try 'tapping into and using it."

I'm not telling people they are defective and lack wisdom, you are. in your post #39.

[sakoz]

SWM & S.Earl Martin: I may end up apologizing to you 'out of my compassion for your innocence'. Your doing something so automatically, you don't see yourselves doing it. Like the 'blind spot' when driving a car, only this is a 'blind-spot of the eye', also known as "scotoma". (mental-scotoma? )
SWM, you mention my 3 anecdotes separately rather than by the common denominator; thus; the earth was flat, the gun was empty, the snake is a rope. WHOA; "the snake is a rope" you wrote.
Even if you had written it as "the rope is a snake" you still have it wrong. The word 'is' implies identical; equivalent. The rope was the empirical fact, the snake a image from memory, by what  'legerdemain' or 'alchemy' can you "equalize" a empirical fact and a mental image?
Let me tell you the common denominator of the 3 anecdotes: the flatness of the earth was a "belief", the emptyness of the gun was a "belief"; that the rope was perceiced as a snake was a "belief-perception". Remember this phrase, BELIEF-PERCEPTION. ( I do believe I coined it, I have not seen it anywhere; you see it here first, I 'm sure.)

[sakoz]

hard science: "Perception never put the solar system together that way." Sorry, but I still 'perceive' the earth as flat, only by photos from space craft, by astronauts can I see that my perception is
erroneous, I still see the earth as flat but with the knowledge that it's round do I correct my view even while in the desert in spite of what I see, as reported by my eyes. That how thoughts interact with sensory input. Thought makes corrections possible. But sometimes, believing false thoughts casuse errors rather than helping.

[SWM]

the earth was flat, the gun was empty, the snake is a rope. WHOA; "the snake is a rope" you wrote.
Even if you had written it as "the rope is a snake" you still have it wrong. The word 'is' implies identical; equivalent.

you do make such a fuss about the words i use. the words are symbols, yes, fingers pointing to the moon. i also used "was" as well as "is". the earth was flat, the gun was empty. oh dear silly me that must mean i am stupid and will have to suffer my lack of wisdom for 30 days with no one to correct me.

the snake in my head was a rope on the ground. false image
but that is the wrong way round according to @sakoz the rope in my head is a snake on the ground.

shit, i need to formulate a hierarchy.

[S. Earl Martin]

Alexandre: I want to acknowledge you input; thank you. I use most of my questions here like Socrates, he wanted listeners to find the answer in them rather than being told.

Sakoz you still don't get it. You still think what you are saying is some big mystery. Some new information. That is a load of crap. The parts of what you are saying that do make sense are common sense. I asked you to show some practical use and you try to use a diversion to avoid doing that. There is no answer. It is just statements with no practical use.

You may have to appoligize to me because of my innocence are you crazy. You are the one who is naive. You are fooling yourself. You want to think you are superior to other people so you made up all this crap to fulfill your delusion. People have wrong thoughts so what!!!  I think you are having a whole bunch of them right now. The problem is with belief structure. YOURS!