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how do i find out what is wrong?
« on: January 15, 2009, 04:25:37 PM »
Hi, sorry not sure where to post this. I notice in the subsections of this forums that people may not have posted for some time so i thought i should place this somewhere that you all seem to come to often.

How on earth is a person supposed to trust and find out whats wrong with them with all the tremendous amount of conflicting opinions and research on things?? One person believes all mental illness stems from biological problems, like organ damage or lack of a vitamin, another is a scientologist, another is Fruedian and believes all current psychological feelings have root in events in the past, another is a die hard brain believer than the brain and brain chemicals are responsible for all "feelings", another believes that the DSM IV is a normal way to see things etc etc etc. Sorry for not being too coherent with my "types" here but im in a rush and want to post this before i have to get moving on.

If you feel "grandiose" it could either be because you are a really passionate, full of life person, or because you are bi polar. If you are really really angry it could be because you have ADHD, been abused, or are pyschotic. And then the docs and therapists try to nail down your individual symptoms and put this puzzle together - thats what i dont understand how can anyone trust that peicing together? might not there always be some psychologist smarter and a step ahead of the one you have who may see that one TINY clue that determines that you are insane and not lacking Vitamin B6! Do you know what i mean?? I say this all in light of my thoughts over the years and my current situation which grows more strange and i dont know if its my inetellect telling my its hard to trust anyones diagnoses and piecings together of me, or if its my "disorder" speaking and i will never have  a say again in what the thoughts in my mind are. So then if you go the next step, which i am next week against all my instincts and "beliefs", to a psychiatrist and start on some med, then you are really depending on the truth of this science, what if its wrong?? Ive heard of people going insane taking psychiatric meds, ive heard of peoples lives getting 100% better on meds. What if this chronic sinus infection ive had for months has infected my brain and THATS what im experiencing? will i ever know? why doesnt anyone jump to that conclusion? why does psychology and psychiatry have to be so unknown and unsure? whats a person supposed to depend on and trust? if my "symptoms" hadnt appear to have gotten "worse" over the last months i would never consider trusting my mental life to some stranger with a book of codes, but now that i feel like "this", i have to.

if i had the time and money, which i dont, id pursue every possible course known to mankind in determing the root of what i am experiencing. that to me seems like a logical approach. at least my therapist, who is not per se a Freudian which i am most comfortable with, is gentle and goes a little slower in slapping me with these definitions out of the manual, so i can deal with her, but trust? how?? how do i know that what i feel really ISNT psycholigical and NOT neurological (brain chemicals gone wrong)? how does anyone know?? id like to explain more but im not sure how long to go on and how specifically personal to be. thanks for reading and any comments! ???

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Re: how do i find out what is wrong?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 06:09:13 PM »
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How on earth is a person supposed to trust and find out whats wrong with them with all the tremendous amount of conflicting opinions and research on things?? One person believes all mental illness stems from biological problems, like organ damage or lack of a vitamin, another is a scientologist, another is Fruedian...
I'd argue it's mostly because the people arguing such things don't really know what they are.  Some examples below.

If you feel "grandiose" it could either be because you are a really passionate, full of life person, or because you are bi polar.
Could be.  Of course we know what most "professionals" tell people.  It's not all on us though, sometimes we say things correctly but people don't hear it/interpret it correctly.  This is a great example.  There is arguably a clinical difference between "mania" (you said grandiose) and passion.  Grandiosity is arguably a symptom of mania.  Mania is somehow differentiated from "passion" or "happiness", and we're pretty specific about that being the case.  If someone is getting less than 6-8 consistent hours of sleep a day, that's a symptom.  If on talks so that others cannot interject or stop the person to ask a question (rambling speech), that's a symptom.  If one has such "pressure" to speak that they cannot stop (different from simply being able to interject etc), that's a symptom called "pressured speech".  If one is unable to stay on one topic at a time, that might be regarded as tangentiality or looseness of associations, a symptom.  Even if someone has one or more of these symptoms (and others), it may not be sufficient to diagnose someone. 

What I'm getting at here is this: rambling, pressured, tangential speech, insomnia/inconsistent sleep patterns: symptoms.  Ability to exchange, intensity, grounded associations, consistent and healthy sleep: passionate human.

If you are really really angry it could be because you have ADHD, been abused, or are pyschotic.
There's a coupe question marks here.  "Really" is unquantifiable, and always a bad way to make a discernment in this context.  The soul of what I think you're getting at though is that someone behaves angrily, in ways that might be regarded as symptoms of "mental illness", and diagnosed variously.  These behaviors are different though for the different ideas you're describing, and that's how we're supposed to make a "differential diagnosis"- tell the difference betwixt ADHD, psychoses, symptoms of abuse (that still manifest themselves often in "illness").  So, am saying I'm "with you" on this, but think sometimes we don't have any better handle on "differential diagnosis" than we do your first idea- the difference between a "healthy" human and a "symptomatic" one (to oversimplify).

Another interesting thing here and a pet peeve of mine- look at the symptoms of "ADHD" compared to the "symptoms" of someone that has been abused or abandoned.  Almost exactly the same.


...I say this all in light of my thoughts over the years and my current situation which grows more strange and i dont know if its my inetellect telling my its hard to trust anyones diagnoses and piecings together of me, or if its my "disorder" speaking and i will never have  a say again in what the thoughts in my mind are.
There's an interesting movie called "Monster", a true story about a female serial killer.  One of the most interesting things in the story to me was one simple line.  She says, "They have to tell you something."  While I don't agree with this idea (lacks humility, among other things...), it's instructive.  Most people feel compelled, out of sweetness, responsibility, love, control issues, manipulation, whatever, to tell you something.  Doctors and such are double true in this case.  It's also I think, one of the negative consequences of the "information age".  So, we end up with tons of opinions.

Since we're on the suffering end sometimes, we feel compelled to take in all info so we can get "answers".  Sad as it is, at the end of the day, we have to be our own "parent", care for ourselves.  We have to decide when more information is necessary, when it's good, when it's bad, what to do with it.  That's why being an educated consumer is so hugely important I think.  I dunno... I'm glad you're finding it hard to believe anyones' diagnoses, but wish you were able to trust yourself in this too.  Am suggesting being educated, never using oneself as a sole resource.

So then if you go the next step, which i am next week against all my instincts and "beliefs", to a psychiatrist and start on some med, then you are really depending on the truth of this science, what if its wrong?? Ive heard of people going insane taking psychiatric meds, ive heard of peoples lives getting 100% better on meds. What if this chronic sinus infection ive had for months has infected my brain and THATS what im experiencing? will i ever know? why doesnt anyone jump to that conclusion? why does psychology and psychiatry have to be so unknown and unsure? whats a person supposed to depend on and trust? if my "symptoms" hadnt appear to have gotten "worse" over the last months i would never consider trusting my mental life to some stranger with a book of codes, but now that i feel like "this", i have to.
Lots of questions here, that I think would bear being more specific.  Oversimplifying though, some inferences might be made.  Here's some basics: never do just medications.  Get talk therapy and or support groups.  Always get a pro opinion.  Never use that opinion as the sole insight: get a second opinion, or additional insight from a friend who is recovering from the "thing"- not just someone that loves you.  Very often the concerns you're citing occur because the person is not med-compliant by way of self-medication, mistakes (over/underdosing), use of other substances, using things for symptoms other than what they were intended, doesn't get non-medication based additional treatments, etc. ad nauseum.

if i had the time and money, which i dont, id pursue every possible course known to mankind in determing the root of what i am experiencing. that to me seems like a logical approach. at least my therapist, who is not per se a Freudian which i am most comfortable with, is gentle and goes a little slower in slapping me with these definitions out of the manual, so i can deal with her, but trust? how?? how do i know that what i feel really ISNT psycholigical and NOT neurological (brain chemicals gone wrong)? how does anyone know?? id like to explain more but im not sure how long to go on and how specifically personal to be. thanks for reading and any comments! ???
Here, probably thousands of miles away and from Cyberberia, never having met or seen you, it sounds like you may be misidentifying the "problem".  Meaning, what if your problem isn't a diagnosis per se, but simply feelings?  You sound a little sad, scared, mad.  All justifiably so if you're struggling and not getting answers from people that are clear.  Sounds like you're already involved in some treatment, and sounds like stuff you've already talked about with your resources.  That said, I'd label being afraid of not being clear about what's wrong and what to do about it as an issue, and whittle down where you're getting insights from.  You sound really willing, smart about this, insightful and more... all blessings and curses simultaneously.  You're probably hipper than you're giving yourself credit for.  Of course I can't (and shouldn't) answer all these questions in a message board, but can try to clarify some stuff and encourage that you sound saner here than it seems you might be givin' yourself credit for.  Hang in there, hope I could help a little.
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Re: how do i find out what is wrong?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 12:00:35 AM »
corwin137,

Thank you for all the time you took to reply to my rambling post. i fear it was largely incoherent but i appreciated the points that you made.

i suppose i can get a little more specific and just see how that resonates, im not trying to abuse your kindness and reply, im not sure what this forum is for so i am kind of venting i guess, i already have a therapist as i mentioned. anyhow, my therapist suddenly expressed to me that i may have bi polar disorder, not that that was hard to glean from my previous post. This SHOCKED me, and so  i wonder if that shock is part of or a symptom of bi polar! i told her i can hardly believe she would say that! bi polar is "crazy", im not crazy, etc etc. Ive always thought all my feelings and symptoms were the result of past traumas and years of growing up with varying abuses. however, i acknowledge that some of my "feelings" and symptoms/neurosis do cross the line a little into a grey area i have never really understood. but bi polar, isnt that when you are not in control of youself?! when i mentioned the anger, i always thought anger is fear, its a masked emotion that speaks to earlier traumas stuck in the brain and just continually re acting. etc. Now i am so self conscious i cant tell if i have mood swings or not, if i am sometimes overly depressed and other times too hyper for comfort. I have been told in the past im ADHD, which made sense to me EXCEPT that i was never one of those people who missed a beat, i have always been hyper aware of every word said, every gesture etc. anyway, what the hell is bi polar? im reading about it, and bascially to have it (like you would have any other disease?) is to not have control of yourself. so does that mean that someone like that has no instincts? no inner self? and how do they know what bi polar is?? you cant see it.

i do have an extreme amount of irritability/rage/anger/disgusted feelings inside, but i also have a lot of circumstance IMO that leads me to feel that way. Also, i have been self medicating with marijuana for EVER, approx 15 years non stop. that always made me feel better, not less anxious, but better mentally. i just cold turkey stopped that AND cigarettes 3 weeks ago. i dont know WHY, i just DID. i dont crave either really, i just crave something. i know those 2 things filled a hunger in my brain. now, could THAT be the bi polar?? i hate speaking of it like its some animate long lost friend or something. i just feel constantly needing something. i cant just BE. the reason i stopped the marijuana was because for some reason toward the end of my run there with it, it stopped feeling good! i started to feel like of weird, kind of confused and panicked. so i stopped out of sheer fear of going crazy. so now all my crutches are gone, except for some klonipin which i makes me feel better but not less mentally confused and pained. im not sure why im writing all this or if its appropriate.

anyhow.............thanks for your reply! i will re read it and think about it again.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 12:01:26 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 01:26:13 PM »
Hi, sorry not sure where to post this. I notice in the subsections of this forums that people may not have posted for some time so i thought i should place this somewhere that you all seem to come to often.
it is okay here, general psychology is a catch all category

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How on earth is a person supposed to trust and find out whats wrong with them with all the tremendous amount of conflicting opinions and research on things?? One person believes all mental illness stems from biological problems, like organ damage or lack of a vitamin, another is a scientologist, another is Fruedian and believes all current psychological feelings have root in events in the past, another is a die hard brain believer than the brain and brain chemicals are responsible for all "feelings", another believes that the DSM IV is a normal way to see things etc etc etc. Sorry for not being too coherent with my "types" here but im in a rush and want to post this before i have to get moving on.

i can understand how this menagrie of opinions can be confusing for someone that just wants one answer to a problem. people come form different professional and educational back grounds all having different knowledge and understanding. it is similar to a group of mean each man is asked to go to a certain building and take a description of the building. each member of that grou pgoes to a different point in the building and takes down some information. on man might stand in the doorway. another stands across the street. another walks around the outside of the building and another walsk around the inside. each member of this group observes different qualities of the building. they record their information and they give their description of the building.

if we think of the above group of men as the same group of men that you describe having differing opinions about mental ill health. we can recognize that neither opinion is right or wrong. but each man has a fragment of information around which he has built his theories and upon which stands his profession.

you opened your post saying "how can i trust and find out what is wrong with me?" if you knew that the people you where talking to only had a fragment of information and they believed that they had a solution which they had gleaned from that fragment of information, would you trust any of them?

do you trust yourself?

you ask "how do i find out what is wrong", ask yourself what is wrong? trust yourself.


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If you feel "grandiose" it could either be because you are a really passionate, full of life person, or because you are bi polar. If you are really really angry it could be because you have ADHD, been abused, or are pyschotic. And then the docs and therapists try to nail down your individual symptoms and put this puzzle together - thats what i dont understand how can anyone trust that peicing together? might not there always be some psychologist smarter and a step ahead of the one you have who may see that one TINY clue that determines that you are insane and not lacking Vitamin B6! Do you know what i mean??
doctors have a great deal of confidence in their profession there is a lot of research which supports thier profession. people tend to trust docotrs because on the most part doctors are able to help people with many of their problems. unfortunately with mental health it appears to be hit and miss, some people get better with meds some people end up worse on meds. some people get better without meds some people get worse without meds. what i do know is that generally speaking medication can help to manage certain symptoms however managing certain symptoms does not equate to improving a person health. psychiatrtic medication often has a negative effect on the overall health of the individual while managing some symptomatic problems.
 
this is a matter which i have struggled with myself. i have myself recovered from a psychiatric illness without medication. my mental health deteriorated while on medication and being treated and i was told that i would never recover and i would never be able to stop taking medication. i am not sure who was benefiting from my treatment but it was not me.

i now have the dilemna of working with people who are asked to continue taking medication and are told similar things to what i was told. very often i dont know what is best for any individual, but i know my responsibiliity is to help people to stay well and to promote recovery. i feel more like i am promoting dependence on medication more than promoting recovery. that seems to be how it is in psychiatry recovery is correlated with compliance with medication. having been through a recovery with out medication that is a difficult for me to swallow.




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I say this all in light of my thoughts over the years and my current situation which grows more strange and i dont know if its my inetellect telling my its hard to trust anyones diagnoses and piecings together of me, or if its my "disorder" speaking and i will never have  a say again in what the thoughts in my mind are.
if you cannot trust your self what do you have left. if it is your disorder speaking perhaps that is closer to the pain and struggle of your experience. what if your disorder has more wisdom than your intellect? i am curious about what you situation is, how is it strange?
 


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So then if you go the next step, which i am next week against all my instincts and "beliefs", to a psychiatrist and start on some med, then you are really depending on the truth of this science, what if its wrong?? Ive heard of people going insane taking psychiatric meds, ive heard of peoples lives getting 100% better on meds. What if this chronic sinus infection ive had for months has infected my brain and THATS what im experiencing? will i ever know? why doesnt anyone jump to that conclusion? why does psychology and psychiatry have to be so unknown and unsure? whats a person supposed to depend on and trust? if my "symptoms" hadnt appear to have gotten "worse" over the last months i would never consider trusting my mental life to some stranger with a book of codes, but now that i feel like "this", i have to.

if i had the time and money, which i dont, id pursue every possible course known to mankind in determing the root of what i am experiencing. that to me seems like a logical approach. at least my therapist, who is not per se a Freudian which i am most comfortable with, is gentle and goes a little slower in slapping me with these definitions out of the manual, so i can deal with her, but trust? how?? how do i know that what i feel really ISNT psycholigical and NOT neurological (brain chemicals gone wrong)? how does anyone know??
"how do i know if it isnt psychological and not neurological" as in my metaphor above the group of men looking at the same thign from different perspectives. any psychological event will conincide with a neurological event. if you alter the chemicals in the brain you will alter the content of the brain. if you alter the colour of the walls in your bedroom it will alter your brain chemistry. neither the psychologist or the neurologist is looking at the whole of the problem.



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id like to explain more but im not sure how long to go on and how specifically personal to be. thanks for reading and any comments! ???


i am quite sure that i have not been helpful to you in the sense of making things easer but i wanted to give my honest opinion on what you have shared.
please if you feel able, i would like to know what is going on. be as specific and as personal as is comfortable for you.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 04:13:05 AM »
OK, im going to try and explain more. I dont BELIEVE in diagnoses! I went to college and studied much psycholsoy ( i bet a therapist LOVES hearing that line) and i think that people are a product of their unconscious and whatever happened in the past (abuses, traumas etc). I guess maybe i dont believe that 100% because i suppose its known that some people are born crazy as cases have been cited. in any case, im not here to know everything. i was a normal albeit sensitive child. I started having very disturbing sexual "issues" at a young age 11, 12, 13? i was obsessed with sex, even feeling "urges" toward children. thank GOD i didnt act on those somewhat fleetin urges and thank GOD i am way rational and logical enough that i would have RAN like hell for help had I gone past the feelings of that. From the time i can remember my parents fought BRUTUALLY every 2-3 days. I quickly grew to hate my mother with a hate that knew NO boundaries because in these  fights i was in the middle like a ref at a boxing match, screamingf and crying and begging my mother (she was the agressor, father was the passive receiver) to stop, pushing her away from him when she strated to hit him or come at him with a knife, this lasted HOURS! not to mention my little brain being filled with all the SICK SICK SICK  stuff she would say to him. my life being abnormal at a very early age. finally after hours of this, she would collapse in her bed victimized by the fight, he would curl up like a child in a corner of the room or on the cough catatonic and embarassed. i would then HAVE to tend to her, make her food, agree with her, console her, soothe her, on and on and on until she finally fell asleep. i would then move on to caring for him. the nasty thing was the feelings i would have for him, like those of a mother, feeling SOOOOO bad for him, sickeningly bad for him, pitying him like he was the victim, then trying ot care for him, bringing him a blanket, some food, some encouraging words (out of earshot of my mother of course). at these times he was a true child and martyr. he WANTED to hurt himself this way, to deny himself rest on a bed, to reject food and a blanket etc and it grew to me feeling this nauseating responsbilitity for him and sick by his refusal to take help. his mother died when he was 8 and i think he enjoyed punishing himself. i couldnt take this punishment he inflicted upon himself, this sick feeling it engenered in me led to my OBSSESSION with stray dogs and their suffering, the SAME feelings i had to him and the dogs, the same. poor innocent victims hurting and i had to save them.

i think he sexually abused me but i dont REMEMBER, just gross feelings and the above mentioned gross young sexual issues i had.

he was my hero, my mother was my  enemy, my hate for her indescribable, not the least for which the normal life and childhood she ROBBED me of. for being insane and doing nothing about it., for exposing me to this psychotic SH*T at a  tender age and never ever once ever saying "sorry" or acknowledging ANYTHING, to this day even. to hear one parent call the other satan, evil, sick, etc etc etc makes you realize that you must be that way too BECAUSE YOU CAME FROM THAT PARENT!  she is mentally ill to the maximum never did and has never gotten help. i remember once when i was around 9 i slept in the bed with both of them for some reason, and they both slept naked, and i remember lifting the covers and seeing my father fondling her while i lay right there right next to them and feeling the sickest feeling of RAGE come upon me and wondering what the F is wrong with these people? how can they do this when i am sleeping here? that rage has been with me since. everytime he woudl hold her hand, touch her, kiss her even smile at her i wanted to kill someone i got so angry.

at early teens i felt VERY odd, a constant self consciousness accompanied me, almost like seeing myself form the outside, i think it was anxiety. ALSO if all that wasnt enough, we moved every 6months or so until i was 14. just picked up and moved, no sorries, no explnanations, nothing. NOTHING WAS NORMAL EVER. i couldnt have friends because i was sooo acutely aware of how abnormal my life (me) was. i couldnt go to a friends house because my sick mother would make me call her every 30 minutes and report where i was who and what i was doing and when the hell am i coming home? i couldnt ever have friends over because, like that movie  mommy dearest (though i wasnt beaten) they would SEE the insanity i lived in! once i had friends over when i was 15 and i was so humiliated i thought i would die by my mothers reactons to them and her behaviors. they thought i was insane after that. this theme of abnormalcy raged throghout my young and teen years and into my 20s as i persisted in living with my mother until i was 24!!!!!! she treated me no different at that age then when i was 7. i hate her with a passion that SCARES me. i have wished the ugliest things upon her, yet i cant let go like my older sisters have (they dont and refuse ot ever speak to her). i feel responsible in a way to deal with her, so i talk to her as little as possible enough to relieve my guilt. my father died on april 26, 2008 - i cant describe the feelings i have over this.

so from time i can remember until my 20s, i grew into someone who constantly just felt a combo of sick sexual feelings, intense rage and hate, sadness beyond description, etc etc, so many things and i have always just been a really sensitive person, one of those people that can see iinto things uncannily, can read others ina second, etc. just sensitivities. at 25, one year into law school and at the dawn of the potential end of my nightmare that had been my life (i got into law school  the future was looking bright, NORMAL), I met a man and sabotaged my life and left law school, ran away across the country, married him in 2 months, realized he was a F*ing maniac (literally), suffered much abuse physical and mental at his hands, cried for 2 yrs straight, then got pregnant by him and had the child. When my baby was 8 months old i finally found the fortitude to run the F away from him and did so, to where? MY MOTHERS HOUSE! i ran back to my mother because i was like a child! i had no idea how to make it in the world, i only knew someone better take care of me, i had grown into an impotent idiot, i didnt even know how to keep a job, yet i went to an excellent college, did great, wa ssmart etc, but still like a  child. she took me in and within a week the mental torture started and i flipped out finally in front of her for the first time, told her the most awful things i could, grabbed my baby and fled to a friends house. i stayed with this friend, and somehow moved on tomeeting another man in the area (florida), i really liked him, my impulsivity by then was just all of who i was. i made no decisions, i simply flew from one impulse to the next. this man, my current boyfriend, was at least not psycho and not abusive, though not a great match for me either, but he was nice and accepted that i had a 9 month old and we all moved in together in this sh*t town he was from where i hate and hated from day 1. at that time i was about 27-28. (my memory is VERY poor). We have lived together since, my son has grown up knowing him as his father and for the most part he has been a good and loving dad to my son (did i mention prev. that my son is diagnosed with things like PDD NOS, tourettes, ocd, ADHD but doing pretty well considering all those Dx's). So i went from psycho mom and dad from little age, to pscyho first husband at 25 to a child with multiple problems - point being the sheer TRAUMA has NEVER abated in my life save for the ONE great year i had in law school. ive even had continuing trauma in my relationship now with this man tho nothing compared to traumas i grew up with or first husband. im SO sorry if ive said all this history already, i cant rememebr and im posting in 2 diff forums and cannot keep straight what ive said where. sorry.

so now i am 35, i have done a hell of a good job with my son tho at time ive felt he is going to kill me due my PTSD and anxiety issues, but ive survived and he is doing pretty well, though im a mess. sooooo, now this is the rage i have, the anger, the irritability. and i think, as i started this post with, that its not a  damn bi polar or some other made up conflaguration, but the result of years of traumas unresolved torturing me. ive had no relief, ive had no good therapy that has HELPED. all therapists have been as this one i have now is - wide eyed at my state, my agitation is a clear sign that i am bi polar (of course) and, as the sky is blue, i must be medicated immediately. i am sooooooooooo sick of this. its like therapy for rats or something. i am a complex invididual, i dont come out of a book. KNOW me, understand. of course i have anger and mood changes. i dont know. the strangeness i was mentioning was the death of my marijuana habit about a month ago and the accompanying feelings of impending doom and depression. also quit cigarettes did i say that? yes i ramble, yes i have an urge to speak and speak yes i feel ADHD and yes i feel hyper aware of myself, always have. i am not in denial that things are wrong with me, im in denial that i should go near medication. i am angry for a REASON. i dont want to medicate that. what has concerned me is the quickness with which i will go from calm to furious, and the intensne anger that comes up at stupid things like a bad driver, a dumb person talking ot me, my mate being a space cadet, etc. i dont like that and it is scary. but i wonder if its just that sooooooooooooooooooooooo many years have passed with me untreated, getting no help, just COPING, just hanging on, having panic attacks and bieng restless to the point of feeling like i am crazed in my body, not like restless legs or hyper, but unable to be in the moment at ALL. i remmebr as a child my worst nightmare was dinner time because i would have to just SIT with nothing to do but eat! no stimulation. i wonder if this is "ADHD" or that my brain and unconcious helped me survive by constantly taking me out of the present moment. i am a Freudian, i believe psychoanalysis is the foundation for mental treatment, not that any others are not worthy.

i started questioning my own sanity since i started seeing this mental health counselor, who, frankly, i think is a bumbling idiot with what seems ot be the education of a 4th grader. maybe thats my bi polar thinking im so great!!!!!!!!!! ?????????? anyway, the past few days, i am thinking i will still go to my psychiatrist appt, but i wont accept any meds. of course this will conveniently play right into their need to label me bi polar or schizo or whatever fills the description of the patient who "denies" and "refuses". i dont care. im tired of being misunderstood. i need psychoanalysis, i KNOW in my BONES AND BLOOD that i need ot re live that child hood and get rid of it! i know i need ot find out if i was sexually molested and remmeber it and re live it! i know this as i know many things.

so does all this mean i am crazy? i dont know HOW you cured youself of the psychiatric disorder you had. i think i can be cured by psychoanalysis. maybe my childhood abuses changed my brain chemicals. i dont know. i am sorry this is ridiculously long, but this is it. i tell all this to my therapists, and she finally last session said, well we need to make a treatment plan for all these issues. now i just HATE her too. thanks for reading, sorry again for the length.


it is okay here, general psychology is a catch all category

i can understand how this menagrie of opinions can be confusing for someone that just wants one answer to a problem. people come form different professional and educational back grounds all having different knowledge and understanding. it is similar to a group of mean each man is asked to go to a certain building and take a description of the building. each member of that grou pgoes to a different point in the building and takes down some information. on man might stand in the doorway. another stands across the street. another walks around the outside of the building and another walsk around the inside. each member of this group observes different qualities of the building. they record their information and they give their description of the building.

if we think of the above group of men as the same group of men that you describe having differing opinions about mental ill health. we can recognize that neither opinion is right or wrong. but each man has a fragment of information around which he has built his theories and upon which stands his profession.

you opened your post saying "how can i trust and find out what is wrong with me?" if you knew that the people you where talking to only had a fragment of information and they believed that they had a solution which they had gleaned from that fragment of information, would you trust any of them?

do you trust yourself?

you ask "how do i find out what is wrong", ask yourself what is wrong? trust yourself.

doctors have a great deal of confidence in their profession there is a lot of research which supports thier profession. people tend to trust docotrs because on the most part doctors are able to help people with many of their problems. unfortunately with mental health it appears to be hit and miss, some people get better with meds some people end up worse on meds. some people get better without meds some people get worse without meds. what i do know is that generally speaking medication can help to manage certain symptoms however managing certain symptoms does not equate to improving a person health. psychiatrtic medication often has a negative effect on the overall health of the individual while managing some symptomatic problems.
 
this is a matter which i have struggled with myself. i have myself recovered from a psychiatric illness without medication. my mental health deteriorated while on medication and being treated and i was told that i would never recover and i would never be able to stop taking medication. i am not sure who was benefiting from my treatment but it was not me.

i now have the dilemna of working with people who are asked to continue taking medication and are told similar things to what i was told. very often i dont know what is best for any individual, but i know my responsibiliity is to help people to stay well and to promote recovery. i feel more like i am promoting dependence on medication more than promoting recovery. that seems to be how it is in psychiatry recovery is correlated with compliance with medication. having been through a recovery with out medication that is a difficult for me to swallow.



if you cannot trust your self what do you have left. if it is your disorder speaking perhaps that is closer to the pain and struggle of your experience. what if your disorder has more wisdom than your intellect? i am curious about what you situation is, how is it strange?
 

 "how do i know if it isnt psychological and not neurological" as in my metaphor above the group of men looking at the same thign from different perspectives. any psychological event will conincide with a neurological event. if you alter the chemicals in the brain you will alter the content of the brain. if you alter the colour of the walls in your bedroom it will alter your brain chemistry. neither the psychologist or the neurologist is looking at the whole of the problem.




i am quite sure that i have not been helpful to you in the sense of making things easer but i wanted to give my honest opinion on what you have shared.
please if you feel able, i would like to know what is going on. be as specific and as personal as is comfortable for you.

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Re: how do i find out what is wrong?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 05:35:28 PM »
Just a couple quick things...

Wouldn't concern myself too much with the relevance of diagnoses.  It's just an easy way to describe a laundry list of potential symptoms.  As for treatment, with most "illnesses", they all get treated similarly- medication, talk therapy, support.

As with the other stuff you got at... unless someone is feeling a lot of emotional intensity, they don't write the way you have.  It seems like you're undeservedly saddled with a lot of horrible stuff that you have to work through to reconcile.

On the coattails of that, you seem to be "looking over your own shoulder" a bit, haggling with whether or not it makes sense you feel the way you do.  It absolutely makes sense.  A lot of what you described were "boundary violations"- you being treated inappropriately because other people didn't know where they "stop" mentally/emotionally/spiritually and physically, and where you "start".  Whenever that happens, people end up feeling "icky", ashamed, rageful and etc.  Am less concerned with you being sexually violated or not than I am if you already feel like you were.  Maybe we can just treat you gently, kindly, based on that instead of arguing about the "rightness" of your feelings.

Your head and heart seem to be wrangling with one another quite a bit.  My own little "prayer" for you is that you get to feel like what you feel is "OK" ("right" or "correct" or not), and that you get to relieve yourself of the responsibility of making sense of it, in favor of simply getting to be with other people who care for you and can walk with you through how horrible it must be to experience all these things.  From this side of Cyberberia it seems so difficult and confusing and painful and weighty and so much to consider and... etc.  What I'm getting at is a prayer for simplicity, connection, and recovery as opposed to simple relief.  I hope you tell your friends and family and therapist the stuff you've been cool enough to tell us, and that you no longer have the responsibility of "figuring so much out".
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Re: how do i find out what is wrong?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 01:30:51 PM »
cfa

i just want to thank you for sharing all of this with us. you have certainly a lot to deal with and it is no wonder that yuo have some problems left over from all you have been through.

as soon as i get a chance i will work through your post. i feel that corwin has already identified the fundamental issues and it would be really useful to know what you feel about his comments.

again i would like to thank you, this kind of openess and willingness to share will help many other people who are struggling with similar problems.
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