OMG: The Open Minded Generation

[HW7]

Alright, I may just be proud, but I was hanging out in a hookah lounge last week discussing politics and religion when it hit me: Windows needs to be easier to use!  Not really, but I did realize that my generation (I'm just about 21) is very open minded.  My parents's generation speak about the "taboo" topics around their friends and family well enough but not outside their circle of comfort and my grandparents generation?  What little I know about them leads me to believe they wouldn't hardly talk about the taboos with anyone outside of their house walls.  My generation though keeps that stuff right there.  We have no problem talking openly about our beliefs and what we support.  And it's typically a good conversation.  When I go to the hookah lounge (one of my few social outlets), it's always neat to sit and just find out where other people stand.  It doesn't matter if I'm a conservative and they're a liberal, it's just cool to find out why we are that way.  No arguing is necessary, in fact, I think more people argue over their favorite football teams than over the healthcare bill from my generation.  We do discuss it though.

There is no question tucked in there, just me sharing my thoughts about that.  Feel free to add your input and experiences.

[pert -5]

Man, I have so much to add to what you are saying.  But it's cool that you noticed!! 

[HW7]

Man, I have so much to add to what you are saying.  But it's cool that you noticed!! 

Well go for it man, that's what the forum is for.

[pert -5]

Forgive the poeticism, but you asked for it...

People are beginning to realize that the Age of the Mother is long gone and that the Age of Osiris has finally come to an end.  Now is the Aeon of the Son, where instead of shying away from things by default we stare at them with bright, shining eyes.  No more of that "innocence lost" crap.  The motto of the day is "the method of science, the aim of religion."  Anything out there is open to question and investigation.  Nothing is anathema.  The only thing is to remember that for every action there is potential consequence:

Want to drink 100 shots of whiskey?  Do it, but don't say we didn't warn ya!  

Wanna harm another person needlessly?  Fuckin' idiot...

[S. Earl Martin]

The freedom and attitude you refer to is a two edged sword. With freedom comes responsibility. I used to have similar experiences when I was younger. Several of my friends and I who were intellegent would set around smoking a joint or a bong and discuss any topic that came up. I am somewhat older than you. So in certain instances my generation would do the same thing. Some people would just sit and listen to the conversation. I see a parallel on this sight and others. Most people just read it, but don't comment. I think the internet has made it easier to have open discussions. Also I liked the innocence when I was younger. Not knowing certain information when you are a kid can be a good thing. Today I hear kids talking and they cuss and demean each other without giving it another thought. The boys walk around grabbing their crotches and the girls dress like sluts. It's gangsta this and Yo Mamma that. I am generalizing, but I think you can understand where I am coming from?

Back to the topic. I think being open minded is a good trait. So is being tolerant of other peoples differences. Peace! 

[Zepher08]

Cool Thread!

"No more of that "innocence lost" crap" ~ pert

Completely agree. Losing innocence is another way of saying I no longer am functioning as a child who is unable to process as an adult.

As far as the "gangster/slut" identifications go ... they are poor concepts to attach to and create a self. So while in many circles there is an opportunity to exchange with out creating a fist fight yet at the same time old roles / identifications are being targeted at youth. Seems to me that came on when rap music went from political to criminal as in the projects and fresh out of prison. The shadow (flip side) aspects of the ideal conditions (1950's yadda yadda) . The bad girls and bad boys being exercised. I don't think any one is losing their innocence over those two arch types.  Just not a whole lot of depth.

[pert -5]

@Zepher08
Thanks.  That post is almost a year old, and it is still growing. 

I just wanted to define some of my "poeticism."

Age of the Mother, which is cognate with the Aeon of Isis.  Basically what this refers to is the period in human history in which man viewed the Earth as the center of the universe; geocentric.  All sustenance came from the Earth, and hence the Earth was to be revered above all else.

The Age or Aeon of Osiris is the period where man viewed our Sun as the center of the entire universe; heliocentric.  Suffering is the marker of this epoch.  Life-Death-Rebirth deities were the spokesman.  I'm keeping this short.

The Aeon of the Son is where we are at.  With the findings of modern neuroscience and quantum physics we can deduce that every single person is the center of their own entire universe; anthropocentric.  With this comes great power and dire responsibility.  Again, I'm keeping this short.

[SWM]

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

[pert -5]

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Rabelais#Th.C3.A9l.C3.A8me

[SWM]

    Do What Thou Wilt;

because men that are free, well-born, well-bred, and conversant in honest companies, have naturally an instinct and spur that prompteth them unto virtuous actions, and withdraws them from vice, which is called honour. Those same men, when by base subjection and constraint they are brought under and kept down, turn aside from that noble disposition by which they formerly were inclined to virtue, to shake off and break that bond of servitude wherein they are so tyrannously enslaved; for it is agreeable with the nature of man to long after things forbidden and to desire what is denied us

[S. Earl Martin]

Pert: Whatever is coming I believe it is getting close. I just hope it is better than what we already have?

[gone]

Pert you speak of the ages of Isis, Osiris and then the age of the Son and Sun.

Isis in Egyptian Mythology as the mother as Mary is the mother is Christian Mythology..
Osiris in Egyptian Mythology as many things- the father, judment, rebirth etc.., as is God in Christian Mythology.

You go on to say we are in the age of the Son but fail to mention this son in Egyptian Mythology was Horus and in Christian Mythology is Jesus.. weather Sun or Son.. I'm interested to know where you get these ages from... Who decided we are in the age of the son now?

[pert -5]

And then, as quickly as a fish hitting a junebug spinner on a Texas rig, there was psycho-mother.  

Pert you speak of the ages of Isis, Osiris and then the age of the Son and Sun.

It seems that you are putting words in my mouth.  I did use both Son and sun, but my use of the word sun, the one with the 'u', I clearly applied to the age of Osiris, NOT that of Horus (the Son).  Frankly, I have no interest in the correlation between Judeo-Christian religion and Egyptian paganism.  Seriously, I don't.  I know a guy on another forum who thinks he's a prophet and he goes on and on about Jesus=Horus, Zeitgeist, Illuminati, etc..  None of that is my cup of tea, nor does it hold my attention for very long.

Horus, Isis, Osiris, Harpocrates (the Greek form of Horus), etc., are just labels that I picked up and use.  I hold no more reverence for them than I do the Easter Bunny or Santa (an anagram of Satan ) Claus.  When taken outside of the context of human consciousness they are meaningless and void.

I'm interested to know where you get these ages from... Who decided we are in the age of the son now?

Follow SWM and I's banter from earlier today.  


EdIt-t-t-t:

Pert: Whatever is coming I believe it is getting close. I just hope it is better than what we already have?

I'm no psychic, so I know no better than you.  But I hope so too buddy!

[gone]

I was aware you associated Osiris with the sun.
So you invented the idea we were in the age of Isis, then Osiris and now the son/son or whatever. You alone make those associations or is this something you have read?

I'm not interested in the illuminati, consipiracy theories etc... I'm interested in symbology.. easter bunny you mention (we've all heard the saying 'F*ck like rabbits), and EGGS are to celebrate the festival of fertility.. although few christians would recognise or ever admit to easter being pagan. Like your anagram of santa, satan began as Set - the Egyptian God of darness.. also spelled as Setan.. Horus = Hours = time of day, sun etc... Yes it's fun and I like it, because I like words, language & symbology, which is why I asked.

[pert -5]

I was aware you associated Osiris with the sun.

OK, I apologize.

So you invented the idea we were in the age of Isis, then Osiris and now the son/son or whatever. You alone make those associations or is this something you have read?

Like I said, Isis, Osiris, Horus, are all just labels I had read and use.  The more important terms for these are Geocentric (Isis), Heliocentric (Osiris), and Anthropocentric (Horus).  They correspond to how man has viewed the universe over the years.
Here's a Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeon_%28Thelema%29#The_Aeons

I'm not interested in the illuminati, consipiracy theories etc... I'm interested in symbology.. easter bunny you mention (we've all heard the saying 'F*ck like rabbits), and EGGS are to celebrate the festival of fertility.. although few christians would recognise or ever admit to easter being pagan. Like your anagram of santa, satan began as Set - the Egyptian God of darness.. also spelled as Setan.. Horus = Hours = time of day, sun etc... Yes it's fun and I like it, because I like words, language & symbology, which is why I asked.

Check out the connection between the Qabalistic Tree of Life, the Tarot cards, and the Hebrew Alphabet.  Lots of symbology there.
http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/liber777.pdf

[gone]

Thanks for answering my question, I understand now.
Thanks also for the links. I did check them out but not being of the 'spiritual' sort I didn't find them of great interest, but I'm sure to be wiser on the subject having been directed there. Thanks.

[S. Earl Martin]

Actually a number of Christian holidays have origins in other cultures or religions. I do agree that the majority of Christians would have a hard time admiting it though. Maybe that is why I have been kicked out of or asked to leave so many churches? Interesting links Pert Thanks. 

[pert -5]

Thanks Earl.

Here are some Wiki links which regard my current interests in the "Open-minded Generation":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiparticle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygeine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

[gone]

Yes Christmas was once Sol Invictus.

A bit of poetry, actually lyrics to the song Kneel to the Cross by Sol Invictus.

Summer is a'comin' in, arise, arise.

Give us our bread,
And bury our dead,
And kneel to the cross on the wall.
Whether burnt at the stake,
Or drunk at the wake,
Just kneel to the cross on the wall.
We've original sin,
But we might just get in,
If we beg to that cross on the wall.
And its love your neighbours,
And rattle your sabre,
Just kneel to that cross on the wall.

See the roof fall.
Hear the bells crash.
As flesh and bone,
Turns to ash.
Tried to conquer the sun,
With the Christian frost.
The corpses' stench,
Beneath the cross.

And give them gold,
And they'll save your soul,
And kneel to that cross on the wall.
And hail to the boss,
Of the great unwashed,
And kneel to that cross on the wall.
They wail and weep,
The march of the sheep,
As they go to that cross on the wall.
And it's ever so wrong,
To dare to be strong,
So kneel to that cross on the wall.

See the roof fall.
Hear the bells crash.
As flesh and bone,
Turn to ash.
Tried to conquer the sun,
With the Christian frost.
The corpses' stench,
Beneath the cross.

And it's ever so wrong,
To dare, to be strong.
And it's ever so wrong,
To dare, to be strong.

But summer is a'comin' in, arise, arise.

Album: The Death of the West by Sol Invictus.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3n9fZlf0QQw[/youtube] or here if link not working

Any excuse for a bit of the arts, sorry.

[pert -5]

FYI, for all of you, Sol = Sun.

[gone]

El sol est brillando :-)

[pert -5]

The sun is bright?

[S. Earl Martin]

No problem, I think comedy or satire are pretty damn funny. I think the level of ignorance of most Christians and ultra religious of other faiths is unbelievable. All the wars and stupidity that have been poored out in the name of God astounding. All God ever asked of us is that we just love each other. That is true worship. Instead we get judgement and division. Condemnation and threats. People trying to make God in their image. These are the things that kept me an atheist for so long. Sorry I didn't mean to change the subject!  

[pert -5]

All God ever asked of us is that we just love each other. That is true worship. Instead we get judgement and division.

An observation that will succeed until suffering ends.

[SWM]

Love is the law, love under will.

[S. Earl Martin]

I was thinking about my earlier post about the youth of today. I realized that I was falling into the same trap as every generation does to an extent. My youth was from the mid to late 60's thru the 70's and into the 80's. I thought about some of the things that happened at that time. Hippie's and free love. Sex drugs, Rock & Roll. Disco. These must have seemed as strange and immoral as the things I mentioned eariler to the previous generation? I guess every generation has their way of expressing themselves. When we become older it is easy to forget our own youthful indescretions and judge the current generation. My Bad!!!

[gone]

Yes there was a time (before your time S.E) when it was obscene to thrust hips (Elvis).. It's a familiar pattern the youth is percieved at rebelling against the tradition with Elvis - 50's Teddy boys, 60's Free love, drugs & sex, 70's Punk, 80's Rave etc..  But were they rebelling or just embrassing a new trend? What's the rebellion or trend now.. I heard sometime ago that comedians are the new rock stars (these the people that fill theatres now) and it seems this rebelling/embrasing (whatever) is expressed in extreme alternative comedy, that your granny would curl her toes at.. I wonder when there are no taboos, body functions and masturbating talked about at the dinner table with parents, what will be the taboos then, any ideas?
And does this shift not demonstate a shift from conservative attitudes to liberal ones?

[S. Earl Martin]

Oh yeah. Or go back even further to puritian times and people had to be covered except for their hands and faces. Like the Talibian today. People in power impossing their standards on everyone else. It is a big political shell game. The relatives and close friends of the powerful are exempt or the 
People with money can pay their way out. Like the draft during the Civil War.

"And does this shift not demonstate a shift from conservative attitudes to liberal ones?"

It could. I personelly think that younger people tend to be more Liberal and older people tend to be more Conservitive. When I was younger I had no problem "doing my own thing" as it was known. My attitude eariler actually suprised me in some ways. When I reread it. I thought " I sound like a square". That was what we called the conservatives in my youth for those who might not know. However if you look at the movement to embrace same sex marriage and other taboos it does look like a liberal shift.

[hortonpilot]

Open minded or apathetic?

Horton

[S. Earl Martin]

All their life was spent not in laws, statutes, or rules, but according to their own free will and pleasure. They rose out of their beds when they thought good; they did eat, drink, labour, sleep, when they had a mind to it and were disposed for it. None did awake them, none did offer to constrain them to eat, drink, nor to do any other thing; for so had Gargantua established it. In all their rule and strictest tie of their order there was but this one clause to be observed,

Do What Thou Wilt;
because men that are free, well-born, well-bred, and conversant in honest companies, have naturally an instinct and spur that prompteth them unto virtuous actions, and withdraws them from vice, which is called honour. Those same men, when by base subjection and constraint they are brought under and kept down, turn aside from that noble disposition by which they formerly were inclined to virtue, to shake off and break that bond of servitude wherein they are so tyrannously enslaved; for it is agreeable with the nature of man to long after things forbidden and to desire what is denied us.[4]
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Even this definition calls for virtue. To be honest and to do the right thing. The question is what is the right thing?