Psychology vs reality

[pljames]

What comes first psychology or reality? Reality of course. But what if a person refuses to acknowledge reality (as they see it)? Then they create their own personal reality in their mind. I was one of these. This forum has shown me Psychology has a place in society. There is a order to the world and psychology. (I am sure they both have come into conflict with each other). There is no law that says one has to obey the rules of law (until they brake them). I now see the world (as it really is) and not the delusion I was believing and living as truth.

You talk about (a awakening) this forum has helped me see and understand the difference between a truth and a lie, reality and delusion inside my mind and outside of it. I am totally responsible for my actions unless some physical mental or other circumstances prevent me from accepting that responsibility. Thank you all. pljames

[pljames]

My friends,
  >: (My ignorance has hurt me bad. My beliefs have made me believe untrue facts. I want to believe people are generally good. My eyes have been opened to the fact that some people are users and persuaders of non facts (they believe). Truth is a hard thing to find in todays society. If man (society) has been here thousands of years then he has perfected the (art of persuasion called lying or believing it).

How can one find (the/a truth) if one is totally surounded by lies and false beliefs? Befudled, pljames

[sakoz]

pljames: We are "unfolding" like a rose bud into full bloom.
A few months ago you wrote your mind was "reeling" (direct readers to that post of yours).
You 'transcended' 'ego/self-concept'; which is subset of thought-system.
There's two sources of thoughts; you know the first source as does everyone. The second (actually the original source, we are diverted from when we learn language) Wisdom; thoughts from wisdom we recognize as 'insight'', they are so different from those that come from our learned/conditioned/habit system. Most people are not ready to even believe we are all born with "innate wisdom".

[pljames]

What again is innate wisdom? I feel when we are babies our senses are feeling physical and spiritual (love). Wisdom to me is understanding from knowledge and using it wisely? pl

pljames: We are "unfolding" like a rose bud into full bloom.
A few months ago you wrote your mind was "reeling" (direct readers to that post of yours).
You 'transcended' 'ego/self-concept'; which is subset of thought-system.
There's two sources of thoughts; you know the first source as does everyone. The second (actually the original source, we are diverted from when we learn language) Wisdom; thoughts from wisdom we recognize as 'insight'', they are so different from those that come from our learned/conditioned/habit system. Most people are not ready to even believe we are all born with "innate wisdom".

[sakoz]

pljames: you know the saying; "it's right under your nose". It's closer than that. The word "transcend" means to go beyond, that inplies leaving where you were behind to get to the new place.
So what did you leave behind or what did you leave from?  Self-concept/ego/ conceptual identity. What can possibly leave our thought-system? Consciousness. We are born conscious, we don't "learn" consciousness, it's who we 'really' are. But we do learn language, with language , we build like a 'nest' of concepts  then consciouness "takes up residence" in that 'nest'. When you had your "experience" that "reeled" your mind, you "flew the nest".  You describe that , it "happened" to you, you know from first hand experience. "It takes one to know one".
Tell us where you wrote about that, you were "out of the nest", no wonder your mind was 'reeling'.

[pljames]

When I discovered I was not in control of me (but my ego and society programmed me to believe I was). I was angry. Again I have discovered I have been lied to. This time by the medical profession. Why do I allow people I believe in to lie to me (again)? I want to believe people in general are (good). Why have I allowed it? pljames

pljames: you know the saying; "it's right under your nose". It's closer than that. The word "transcend" means to go beyond, that inplies leaving where you were behind to get to the new place.
So what did you leave behind or what did you leave from?  Self-concept/ego/ conceptual identity. What can possibly leave our thought-system? Consciousness. We are born conscious, we don't "learn" consciousness, it's who we 'really' are. But we do learn language, with language , we build like a 'nest' of concepts  then consciouness "takes up residence" in that 'nest'. When you had your "experience" that "reeled" your mind, you "flew the nest".  You describe that , it "happened" to you, you know from first hand experience. "It takes one to know one".
Tell us where you wrote about that, you were "out of the nest", no wonder your mind was 'reeling'.

[sakoz]

pljames: people are 'good', born innately 'good', which is natural; then they learn language, it's like a second coat of paint, you don't see the first coat.
When you discovered you were not in control of you. You recognized conditioning/habit/learning, etc. Yes people are 'good' innately but that is overriden/superceded by 'social programing'
Recognize that most people have 'not yet; discovered what you did; that they are not in control of themselves. It's liberation you experienced, try helping others to "discover' like you did.

[pljames]

Good thought I will work on that. pl