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Put the Kibosh on......
« on: December 11, 2011, 07:21:27 PM »
(Sub-title) 'Parallel But Separate Operations'.  While reading this, your unconscious is 'attending' to other things. We take for granted that we can drive a car (automatically) while our conscious is engaged in thoughts, unrelated to driving. not attending to driving. Virtually on "auto pilot".
Language/thinking consists of words and images. While conversing, our words are overt, but the concommitant images are covert, sometimes even to us. We can talk and our images operate subliminally. ( Some words don't have images associated with them , like if, and, but, etc.) I have been making a "big deal" about automatically believing some images are real.(resulting in automatic reactions)
This may help you understand our subliminal involuntary is conditioned by/with language to equate words with the referent;( especially with images).
Conditioning/habits can be recognized and overridden/usurped as needed. "All creatures involuntarily react to perceptions".  While conversing, you believe what your saying; so your images are reacted to by your "amygdala" as it does to perceptions of/from environment. Arguments demonstrate 'unwittingly' believing some images are real and reacting to the thought-images as if they were surrogate/counterfeit perceptions, unrecongnized as such. Because it occurs subliminally, we're not aware of why emotions are mobilized (anger during arguments) our involuntary is doing what it's 'hard-wired' to do. Believing images are real is a mistake, as attested by emotional suffering, dysfunctional behavior, mistakes, stress, etc. You accept the fact that you can drive while thinking other thoughts; can you accept that your involuntary reacts to perceptions  (even to pseudo ones).
When experiencing emotions, ask; "Are images being reacted to as if they were real?" Just knowing that the answer is 'yes' makes a difference, analogous to a placebo subject knowing the pill he is about to take is inert/fake. Just reading this can be likened to conversing while driving, our involuntary is doing it's "thing', even while you read.
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Re: Put the Kibosh on......
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 06:17:45 PM »
Beyond Belief Systems/Conditioned Agendas.
Archimedes said; "Give me a place to stand, and I will move the earth". (with lever and fulcrum). There is no such place (to stand), he only hypothesized.
But "we can" shift perspective of understanding beyond beliefs and conditioning from which we observe them. A "place"(perspective) of empowerment; beyond beliefs.
You don't believe any such perspective exits? (or potentially if your not there).?  So be it, and so it is for you.  "What you get, is what you believe."
To understand a belief, you witness it. You experienced it; there's many (potential) levels of understanding, I'm saying go further; to the aha/insight level.
When was the last time you had a significant "insight"?
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Re: Put the Kibosh on......
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 06:32:43 PM »
My parents indoctrinated me to believe I was "good for nothing" (from age 12 to 17). If they believed themselves, what could they expect of me but to live up to their evaluations.
What could I expect of myself believing that? The only option I could see was to believe Jesus (John 5:19) paraphrasing: "It's not I but the Father who doeth through me". The secular use of this is not to use the word 'father' but rather my 'innate natural intelligence' I was born with, my parents could not kibosh that resource with their edicts/pronouncements. This is a way you too can get "around" your conditioned/habits from your past,etc. If you 'operate' mainly or exclusively from your belief-system and past conditioning; your having a 'hard time'.
(related topic) Can you recognize counterfeit perceptions? Not when experiencing emotional suffering, dysfunctional behavior, mistakes, stress, etc. these are the effects of reacting to fake perceptions. The irony is that you are producing the counterfeit perceptions your reacting to. The 'operation' is so covert-right under your nose, so to speak- you don't recognize doing it.
How is the ruse perpetrated? By believing some thought-images are real. Doing so is so covert, you will not believe this expos'e. (I'm a whistle-blower not believed) :)
The right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
The dictionary definition of the word 'believe' does not include that "believing makes perceptions".
"Subliminal Believing" is invisible to us even  while experiencing the effects. We attribute the effects to external sources; example; "You make me angry." And/or; "I thought the gun was empty!" Said in hindsight but not recognized 'during/while' believing. We can recognize 'subliminal believing' when occuring/experiencing the effects by inferring that, indeed what we experiencing are the effects of believing some image is real; that recognition will help curb/squelch the believing in the moment.

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Re: Put the Kibosh on......
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 12:01:38 AM »
Where is your vocabulary?  Can you inventory it? We only experience the effects as the sentences we hear and see;  never our vocabulary en masse.
Analogous to 'Brownian Movement'. Robert Brown only saw the effects of molecular motion moving the pollen grains, he did not see the subatomic particles  causing the motion.
In the same way, we experience emotional suffering, dysfunctional behavior, mistakes, stress, etc. These are effects of subliminally believing some thought-images are real, even if false.
There's another subliminal 'process' I have been referring to, "innate natural intelligence". We cannot observe that 'process', only experience the effects as well being, psychological health, creativity, insights, intuition.
No one sees evolution either, we see effects as change. We don't see gravity, we see things fall, (Newtons apples).
Physicists deal with quantuum level from "outside" with theories, hypothesis, etc. We can access (introspectively) that invisible level 'process' (innate natural inteligence) from "inside" perspective.
If, as a result of reading this, you experience aha/insight, it comes from 'innate natural intelligence'.
If, no insight, then this is just another academic theory 'to you'.
For those of you who want substantial/observable data, your out of luck. In this electronic age, the invisible is where 'it's at.'

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Re: Put the Kibosh on......
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 07:16:36 PM »
"Believing" is optional : unless conditioned into habit.Then it's like being up a creek, in a canoe without a paddle.
If 'believing' thought-images are real was hard-wired into us, then we could not change nor stop believing false thoughts.( We intuitively know that's not true. How come we don't recognize other false thoughts the same way.?) What "is" hard-wired into all creatures with eyes, is to react to perceptions. Language-users can 'borrow/utilize' that 'circuitry' to experience thought-image of our choice, unless 'believing' has been made a habit. Then you experience whatever false thought is unwittingly believed.