the psychological impact of advanced "stealth projects"

[phil silvers]

What is the psychological impact of people confronted with technology they cannot comprehend?

Imagine going back to the eighties and trying to explain to someone what the internet is today, facebook, ipods, iphones, google and the web in general. What is the likelihood an average person would be able to even remotely grasp what you are trying to convey?

Now imagine that same scenario today, except instead of the internet its a military stealth platform that uses a form of optical camouflage. Since people cant even remotely imagine it, its dismissed and laughed off as "UFO" rubbish. Yet a lot of people have made the claim that they have seen something amazing, and they are ostracized for it.

If we have a percentage of society who have indeed seen something like this, and they keep quiet because of the stigma involved, are we hurting these people? And what would the long term psychological impacts of this be on society as a whole when we are trained that the only things real are what we see on TV?

[SWM]

its a thought provoking topic and one that i have a personal affinity with. i have certain experiences that do not fit with the consensus of reality that exists in the media projected world of  "normal" public consciousness.


what is the psychological impact? for the people that have seen nothing there is no impact on them because there is nothing that is impacting upon them.

it is us with our unusual ideas, beliefs, experiences, that are affected. this does have the potential to harm when the individual or group is frustrated in their attempts to expose the subject that they have become aware of.

[phil silvers]

For the people that have seen nothing,  I'm not sure I agree.  I think that once they finally declassify a program and its come to light that our government knew all along that they were responsible for certain incidents, then its going to affect public trust in a really negative way.

For example, the "ufo" Incident in Stephenville TX.  Which as I understand it was a "Stealth Blimp", once it comes to light this was a government program there will most likely be quite the public backlash.  Though I doubt its used for domestic surveillance I can image a large percentage of the populace will interpret it that way.  Then every light in the sky isn't just another plane, its suddenly "the government is watching me"....

And that's just the general public, what about the people who actually saw such things? Those people lived with the often times traumatic  knowledge of what they saw for years only to find out it was their own government lying to them all along. They'll need some serious therapy...

I started this thread not only to raise the public awareness of the situation but in the hopes that some professionals with a publishing background might be inspired to write a book on the subject.  I think the concept of using the "ufo nut" culture in this country to mask classified aviation platforms is a short term success but will have devastating consequences over the long term...

[psy_guy]

For the people that have seen nothing,  I'm not sure I agree.  I think that once they finally declassify a program and its come to light that our government knew all along that they were responsible for certain incidents, then its going to affect public trust in a really negative way.

That's why those projects are being kept as a secret. If they will uncover some secret jet, they will tell them nothing about incidents or testing. Or very little, and 90% of it will be a lie.

Now the consequences... Yes, I think, that there are some consequences. I can give you the same example of school life:

There are those bullies, geeks and middle guys. Bullies are usually bullying geeks, geeks are usually hiding and middle guys are friends with bullies, but are not avoiding geeks. That's the usual story...

So take those middle guys. Most of them are friends with both. They are okay between geeks, but when they come to a company of bullies, when asked outside, they often makes fun of them and doesn't pay attention to what they say. Same with authority figures. They feel ignored everywhere, which makes them concealed. Which makes then just be silent about their opinion.
Imagine a guy, who says his opinion good or bad about a teacher or a bully, getting beaten for his opinion. And then ignored. He feels ignored, he won't say his opinion very often no more. In the long term (let's say 12 years of school), it will probably be his lifestyle. Conceal his thoughts and other things from others, think, that they doesn't care, or he looks stupid. Same with those ufo guys. They have seen something up the sky, they have told somebody, they got laughed at. If the person is not very smart, he could start to think, that everything he says is being laughed at. Or on occasion, other people can for real make fun of him on what he says on other topics, just because he have seen, what others didn't and it's unbelievable. This will make him desperate and concealed, silent.

Those are just my thoughts, most of this stuff is research at my own school, with real people here.

[hortonpilot]

psy_guy,

 very thoughtful stuff, mechanics of how we intereact!

Stealth story is all pretty much a lie and deception but incredibly interesting because of the genius of it's origins.
Starting point for search is the Horton Flying Wing, Gotha-Horton created by two brothers,German of course in the early 1940's.
Horten Ho IX
Horton-Gotha prototype (Go-229A)

Skipping ahead  Northrop sent head of the company ,Jack Northrop at end of the war to strip the German factory and steal the designs and all physical property!
It was not Northrops idea in any way.
This was denied for 50 years as the project was so top secret and valuable.
Many people who knew about the German and later US projects were labeled as being totally crazy and their lives suffered.

I love this design dearly because of the brilliance and the genius in the thinking, it is also a terribly sad story of what happens to brilliant people at the edge of societyand how they are treated by the vultures.

Sorry if i have gone off the point folks.

Horton

[NataEames]

Well, you'll be surprised how the human defense mechanism works! If the mind doesn't accept something, it edits the facts, suppresses them, inverts them, maximizes them, minimizes them or simply ignores them.

Then again, there's always mass hysteria.

[hortonpilot]

Process of denial surprises me on a daily basis.

Horton

[voodoo scientist]

This is actually a genuinely interesting subject that I'm not familiar with any research on at all, but not for the paranoid UFO-inspired reasons above. If it were possible and ethical, it would be extremely interesting to investigate what the effects of introducing new incomprehensible technology into primitive cultures are.

For instance, what happens if you introduce the printing press into a tribal society? Or the telephone, but no other media? What if you introduced advanced artillery technology, but no long distance communication (or no way to accurately aim them)? Whether we shape technology or technology shapes us is still very much an unanswered question in modern psychology.

[NataEames]

Put an ape man in charge of a nuclear plant and watch the fireworks from far.

It is in human nature to misunderstand unfamiliar things, mercilessly experiment on them or despise them. Everything should be introduced slowly into the world in order for it to be able to adjust in it's own ways.

Humans are able to adjust in ways I will never be able to understand but they need to be in the right state to do so.

[hortonpilot]

Voodoo,

"What if you introduced advanced artillery technology, but no long distance communication (or no way to accurately aim them)?"

Sounds very much like the US military machine?

But you were being serious?

Horton

[voodoo scientist]

Voodoo,

"What if you introduced advanced artillery technology, but no long distance communication (or no way to accurately aim them)?"

Sounds very much like the US military machine?

But you were being serious?

Horton

Voodoo,

"What if you introduced advanced artillery technology, but no long distance communication (or no way to accurately aim them)?"

Sounds very much like the US military machine?

But you were being serious?

Horton

I'm pretty sure the US military can aim their guns accurately, they just don't really seem to care to!

[gone]

Just yesterday I was talking about ANTI GRAVITY PROPULSION with my son. This is where the UFO phemomena originally came from. The Germans originally developing such devises (for flight - military purposes) which eventually were leaked to other goverments. The governments only too happy for people to believe these crafts they were testing to be 'ALIEN ENCOUNTERS'.. they promoted the ALIEN IDEA to deflect from what they were really producing. I shant go into it anymore but give as an example.
Thus people were happier to believe in ALIENS than they were of ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY

I have the same problem when trying to tell people that hypnosis does not exist. When I try to tell people I am met with hostility, anger, and I'm the one condemned for being wierd, yet I am the one who's researched, observed, experimented etc... they reject my 'advanced' knowledge. But still they know better because they are not ready to reject the tradition on the word of someone. They need to be explosed to this over and over from different sources for them to consider the possibility (repetition forms beliefs).

If someone came along and said they have created anti-gravity propulsion for mainstreem use, depending on how they communicated that to the public is what's important. It's not WHAT it's HOW.. Someone produces drawings saying they can create a craft that travels to moon in an hour using anti-gravity propulsion.. YEAH RIGHT!! deluded wierdo..
Yet if the same guy produced a HOVER BOARD developed on the principles of anti-gravity propulsion (because people want one) they would be all ears and all money..
See what I'm saying. It's not the message, it's the way that message is packaged that makes it acceptable to the public.. They believe what they want to, what benefits them personally.

NB: will just add, think of travelling quickly by anti-gravity propulsion crafts that uses magnets and clever engineering yet need no oil or fuel.. yet are more powerful than anything we have today.. This is the reason technology is kept secret. It would have such a dramatic effect on the economy and would be dangerous if in the wrong hands.

BTW I've added this later as I remembered when this was in the news. An invisible suit developed by the Japanese. The technology I remember is tiny cameras ie: a suit of cameras on the back they take a picture and play this picutre of the front (and visa versa) so you are looking at a suit full of tiny cameras that are playing images that were taken from the cameras on the back of the suit, which gives the illusion of transparency.

Check it out here.