The recently discovered phenomenon "Malady of Intellectualism" or M-I

[docjp]

I post this for information for those interested.

I have recently discovered, via intuition and Esoteric research  [which exists but is not amenable to verbal expression], convenient for me, right?   A fascinating phenomena which explains the origin and structure of what "causes" the basic and fundamental difference between people.  One is either one or the other type,  depending upon where ones Soul is perched upon the Ladder of Life...http://docjpladder.blogspot.com.

What I am sharing, will of course be unimaginable to the "thinker" type, but what I am sharing will be interesting to the "enlightened" type.  The "enlightened" type individual has a Soul that is perched upon a higher rung of the Ladder of Life, and this means this person has access to the faculty  of intuition, the ONLY means by which one can "experience" [certainly not think about] the Esoteric dimensions of Life.

What M-I explains is the reason a person would be unable to grasp or perceive another person's attempt to verbalize some Esoteric experience the person has had, but cannot convey in words, because words only communicate to ones physical senses, not to ones intuition.  Unless the listener is capable of "seeing with intuition" the "essence" of what the person's words are pointing at, the listener is unable to comprehend what is being conveyed.

The Reality that was intuited is not contained in the words used to speak about the intuition.  The words used to describe the intuition can, however, contain a subtle "Esoteric" rider that will stimulate a similar vibrational resonance within the Apapsyche http://about-psychology.com/apapsyche.html of the listener.... and the listener "Knows" exactly what the speaker is saying, although others standing about the speaker have no idea what is being described.

I refer to this Esoteric communication as "DEC" or Direct Esoteric Communication.  This can be MIND to MIND communication, or Spirituality to Spirituality communication.  But the brain is incapable of perceiving this DEC communication.  So, those confined to intellectualism are unable to comprehend what the Esoteric is, or even to conceptualize the concept  can exist.

Peace

[Enigma]

nice pseudoscience you got goin' on

[docjp]

nice pseudoscience you got goin' on

Other than an opinion, do you have anything to contribute?

Peace

[Enigma]

Hallmarks of pseudoscience:

• Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims
• Over-reliance on confirmation rather than refutation
• Lack of openness to testing by other experts
• Absence of progress
• Personalization of issues
• Use of misleading language
• Absence from citation databases

Leaning more towards fact than opinion. 

[docjp]

Hallmarks of pseudoscience:

• Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims

You do realize that the Esoteric dimensions of Man, and of Life are not "testable" do you not?  If this didn't occur to you, I'm glad to awaken you to this fact.

Man consists of three simultaneously existing vibrational dimensions, and only one of the three is physical.  To limit oneself to the study of the physical and deny or ignore the other two-thirds of Man suggests one is either unable to study the Esoteric, not having access to ones faculty of intuition, or that one is too fearful of letting go of the Delusional notion that the brain can perceive everything that there is to know.

My intent is not to frighten those who cling to the notion that only that which can be proven by physical means is worth studying... my intent is to invite those who are fearful of the Esoteric to venture into new dimensions of experience.

To place barriers of intellectualism or physicality up like a religious cross, to ward off the Esoteric references of my posts, or to label my statement as incapable of being "proven" by physical means is just the MIND seeking to defend itself, and to protect you against the possibility that there might be something of value in what I post.

I am used to those who have no understanding of the Esoteric dimensions of Man resisting my pointing to these dimensions,  and I understand the fear behind the resistance, and all I can do is to invite you to question the limit of your own Knowledge?  Are you sure the only reality that exists is the physical plane, and your physical brain?  Perhaps this is the limit of your reach in this life,  but my hope is that in your next, or some future life, you can  reach beyond the physical limitation of your brain, and begin to experience and explore your intuition, which, being Spiritual, has no boundaries.


Peace

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[pert -5]

To place barriers of intellectualism or physicality up like a religious cross, to ward off the Esoteric references of my posts, or to label my statement as incapable of being "proven" by physical means is just the MIND seeking to defend itself, and to protect you against the possibility that there might be something of value in what I post.

But doc, the integrity of what you are saying here lies in the assumption that what you are saying is irrefutable fact.  You yourself have an intellectually pernicious habit of throwing up YOUR "cross" of saying that everyone else is a materialist who is unable or unwilling to understand.  I'm telling this to you to be constructive doc.  If one wants a little bird to come and try some seed, it will not do to throw fistfuls at it on the first try, or any subsequent try for that matter.  One should sprinkle the seed and if the bird eats it eats, if it doesn't it doesn't.  Honestly, what good does it do to say to the bird that doesn't eat, "well, you're just a stupid bird anyway!"?  If you want to inspire and motivate the desire in others to seek the non-physical then you best step away from this hypocritical air and drop the ambiguous wording (Enigma's 6th point: Use of misleading language) and stodgy demeanor and build a bridge of connection, lest it appear that all you are doing is attempting to lure others into the raging river with no viable means of crossing to your side.

Peace.

PS
As to non-testable we have this to say, "It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them."

[S. Earl Martin]

"What I am sharing, will of course be unimaginable to the "thinker" type, but what I am sharing will be interesting to the "enlightened" type.  The "enlightened" type individual has a Soul that is perched upon a higher rung of the Ladder of Life, and this means this person has access to the faculty  of intuition, the ONLY means by which one can "experience" [certainly not think about] the Esoteric dimensions of Life."

Hey Doc, this is about motivational factors, goals, and reinforcement. By stateing that this will be unimaginable etc. You are alienating the very people you are attempting to reach. By claiming you are on a higher rung etc. this sets up the situation in an adversarial bent. Weather what you are saying has any merit or not how it is presented must be considered. Further the very all or nothing of the statements doesn't pan out in reality. There is no such thing as a "thinker" type or an "enlightened" type. Different people have verying degrees of these in their personality and this would also change depending on the situation they are experiencing at the time. If I am in a situation that requires me to be very analytical I respond accordingly. If I am in a situation that requires me to be more intuitive my response adapts.

To use Pert-5's bird analogy. Sometimes a bird might eat seeds others it might eat bugs. It depends on the situation. We adapt to our surroundings more than we adapt our surroundings to us. The esoteric nature of reality is testable. Not by scientific methods, but by our own mind and consciousness.
What you know
What you think you know
What you don't know
What you can't know.
These have given me a frame of reference to measure reality. They allow me to avoid making assumptions and to be more aware of the information at hand. I understand what you are attempting to do and wish you the best. However try using more neutral launguage and your ideas might be more accepted. Blessings and peace be yours.      

[S. Earl Martin]

Oh also the 3 dimensions can be called.
1. The body
2. The soul
3. The spirit
Many cultures have written about these for millennia. You are correct that each one has its own vibrational dimension. As has been stated on other posts proving or disproving their exsistance in this world is a matter of personal belief. Evidance exists, but accepting it is a matter of personel choice.   

[SWM]

Hallmarks of pseudoscience:

• Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims
• Over-reliance on confirmation rather than refutation
• Lack of openness to testing by other experts
• Absence of progress
• Personalization of issues
• Use of misleading language
• Absence from citation databases

Leaning more towards fact than opinion.  

Docjp's theories is not sicence or pseudoscience it is philosophy.

According to Wikipedia Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language

However i do agree that docjp uses obscure terminolgy or distrorted conceptsion from other traditions to describe expereinces, observations and ideas that have been described in other philosphies.

[SWM]

Man consists of three simultaneously existing vibrational dimensions, and only one of the three is physical.  

Some would say there are 7 dimensions and each dimension is diffused into a further seven planes with a total of 49 planes in which man is constituted.

[Enigma]

I am used to those who have no understanding of the Esoteric dimensions of Man resisting my pointing to these dimensions,  and I understand the fear behind the resistance, and all I can do is to invite you to question the limit of your own Knowledge?  Are you sure the only reality that exists is the physical plane, and your physical brain?  Perhaps this is the limit of your reach in this life,  but my hope is that in your next, or some future life, you can  reach beyond the physical limitation of your brain, and begin to experience and explore your intuition, which, being Spiritual, has no boundaries.

No, I'm not 100% sure that the physical plane is the only reality, though my intuition tells me there is an external reality in which we have evolved to perceive.  The physical brain gives rise to the mind, so therefore the mind exists in physical reality.  I have seen no conclusive evidence that there is any sort of spiritual or non-physical dimension that is not contained in the mind itself.  You present your vague metaphysical claims as irrefutable fact but forget that such extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  The burden of proof is on you.

[Bill Hemphill]

Enigma says,

 You present your vague metaphysical claims as irrefutable fact but forget that such extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  The burden of proof is on you.
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I suspect a similar response was given to Galileo just before he was sent to prison.

S. Earl Martin, he is not alienating the people who he is attempting to reach. It is for those people to lose their old way of thinking. Or you could say that they are learning that they should alienate themselves from their immature way of thinking.

docjp is talking Psychology . . . Academic Psychology has more to do with Philosophy and Sociology than having anything to do with Psychology. docjp is moving psychological understanding into more dimensions than what Freud showed us.  He is attempting to share a thought and a discussion of higher ways of mind action. If they are not higher, they are at least less understood and I think this is a good forum to discuss these facts and maybe others can learn.

[Enigma]

And since heliocentrism is objective and observable, Galileo had the evidence to support his claims.  Nice try though. 

[Bill Hemphill]

Enigma, this is clearly a forum for "psychology". I suspect that you would not consider the psyche and it's actions objective or observable. This makes me wonder if you have any knowledge or understanding of psychology. You bounce around knowledge asSOCIated with psychology, but you show no ability or knowledge of the functions of the psyche. The psyche has functions that's results are observable as symptoms.

If you think that the psyche must be observed or seen like we see a fence post, then you do not think the psyche exists. Therefore you can't practice something like Psychology if you don't think it exists. I can't give you a nice try on that one but with a little time and understanding I think you can come to see that actions of the psyche are observable. docjp was trying to help you.

[S. Earl Martin]

Sorry Bill, When you make the statement that the people you are trying to reach will be unable to understand what you are saying. That presents a pretty high degree of alienateing them.
There is an old saying "speak to the dog. In the language of the dog." Meaning you have to present your statements in a form the audience can understand. You can't expect them to change themselves in order to possibly understand something they have no interest in understanding. Peace!

[Enigma]

Enigma, this is clearly a forum for "psychology". I suspect that you would not consider the psyche and it's actions objective or observable. This makes me wonder if you have any knowledge or understanding of psychology. You bounce around knowledge asSOCIated with psychology, but you show no ability or knowledge of the functions of the psyche. The psyche has functions that's results are observable as symptoms.

If you think that the psyche must be observed or seen like we see a fence post, then you do not think the psyche exists. Therefore you can't practice something like Psychology if you don't think it exists. I can't give you a nice try on that one but with a little time and understanding I think you can come to see that actions of the psyche are observable. docjp was trying to help you.

This thread is not psychology.  This is wannabe philosophy.  

I've been skimming docjp's site, and I'm beginning to wonder what exactly his credentials are, especially since most everything in a google search for esochology is from docjp, and the fact that his site (which looks like it was designed back in the mid-90's) contains such gems as:

   The symbol "[P-ism]" (pronounced "P-is_um")stands for the Psychological processes and Esoteric dynamics that serve as the "causal" behind the Psychological phenomena that manifests in what we label "Progressivism", socialism, communism, and the lesser condition called "liberalism". All of these "conditions" stem from the same "malady", and I refer to this malady as "Intellectualism".  

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THE ESOTERIC DIMENSIONS OF MAN, BECAUSE THEY RESONATE AT VIBRATIONAL ENERGY LEVELS THE PHYSICAL BRAIN CANNOT PERCEIVE, CANNOT BE PERCEIVED BY THE PHYSICAL BRAIN OR PHYSICAL SENSES. THIS IN NO WAY MEANS THE ESOTERIC DOES NOT EXIST, OR THAT IT CANNOT BE STUDIED... IT MERELY MEANS THE ESOTERIC DIMENSIONS CANNOT BE STUDIED BY THE BRAIN.

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Seeing as the brain is the command center for the body and the seat of conscious awareness makes me wonder how exactly docjp discovered this knowledge.  Maybe an angel left it in a book of golden plates.  

[Bill Hemphill]

S. Earl Martin, I don't think you are exactly on target with that. Respect is the answer. If you respect at all, you respect everyone. This gives one the possession of love and the ability to understand the perspective that another is sharing.

docjp, thanks for sharing.

[Bill Hemphill]

But I should point out to you S.Earl Martin, you can't help someone unless you can get them to change their way of thinking which includes their language. Otherwise they are alienating themselves  from the truth.

[S. Earl Martin]

Bill I am a mediator and have years of experience dealing with people in sales and business. I understand Doc is trying to further a way of thinking and defineing reality. I applaud there effort. I am doing the same thing with the D-Text. Although my goals are different. I am just trying to offer constructive criticism. You say respect is the answer. This is true and when you approach your audience in a condisending manner it is disrespectful to them.  Decreasing the likelyhood they will accept what you are saying. As to who is alienating who would depend on the specific situation.

As to Enigma's comments it is not necessary that someone have a degree or meet some standard to be knowledgeable. Many inventions and discoveries have been done by laymen. Further even if Docs writtings aren't traditional Psychology it doesn't mean they don't have merit. I wish them the best and hope they can be successful in their endevor.

[Bill Hemphill]

Good point S. Earl. I recently have wondered how to better approach a situation where the "addict" refuses to believe they can ever be cured of their addiction. Some refuse to see their craving as anything but an expression of their genetic being. They confuse that(sociological component) which is attached to their psyche and it's energy, with their genetic being. Respect, I believe is the key. It's the mentally sound persons foundation. If you don't respect everyone, then you respect no one including yourself. Have a great day!

[Joni]

Native Americans have a saying when asked "What did you learn on your vision quest?" They simply say "shut up". It means that whatever you learn applies only to yourself and is not your business. You can't make a science or even much of a study on personal experience.

[S. Earl Martin]

The key I have seen to getting anyone to change their behavior is they have to see a reason to change that is significant enough to make them change. If someone is told "you should quit smoking" for instance. They might agree, but unless they are effected on a level that makes them see quitting as the only choice? Or the only option? They very well might just keep on smoking. My neighbor was on oxygen and had lost a lung. She would sit on her porch and hold the oxygen tube in one hand and a cigerette in the other. Take a drag off the cigerette and then a breath off the oxygen. Eventually her other lung quit working and she died clinging on to the oxygen tank. Before she died. I asked her why she didn't quit smoking? She said it was the only enjoyment she had left and she was dieing anyway. She didn't see a reason to quit. Self respect is only one reason to change our habits or beliefs.

[docjp]

"What I am sharing, will of course be unimaginable to the "thinker" type, but what I am sharing will be interesting to the "enlightened" type.  The "enlightened" type individual has a Soul that is perched upon a higher rung of the Ladder of Life, and this means this person has access to the faculty  of intuition, the ONLY means by which one can "experience" [certainly not think about] the Esoteric dimensions of Life."

I appreciate the collective concern by posters that I am alienating the "very people I am trying to reach...", however, the fact is I have been communicating with people for over thirty years, and in that time... I have discovered that there are some people who possess some psychic ability and they are not aware of this.  Well, I am tossing out Esoteric "riders" upon various symbols for these people to "see".  I do not post for everyone, and my posts do not seek to change those confined to the brain to suddenly be able to Intuit those "riders" contained in my posts.  The fact is, whether or not this fact is accepted, or understood by everyone, there are two different types of people on Earth.  This is not theoretical, even though the "Thinker" type person is incapable  of perceiving this difference... the difference exists.   Can it be proven so that the Thinker type person can accept it? No, because this difference is Esoteric [not capable of being perceived by the brain or physical senses].  It would have made my life much easier over the last thirty years if there was a way to transfer  the Esoteric phenomena  of Life to those incapable of perceiving this phenomena.   Alas, the plan of Life does not allow anyone to prematurely awaken to the Esoteric phenomena of Life .  No one can push through this veil of Life by use of intellect.  It requires Intuition to do this, and this means a  heightened level of  Consciousness.

[docjp]

nice pseudoscience you got goin' on

I believe you will find, if you will read the post carefully, that I do not suggest my post has anything to do with "science".  I in fact never use the term science [except disparagingly] because science refers to an activity confined to the illusion of life, and never to the Reality of Life.

As far as "pseudoscience" goes, this term is applied to phenomena that a person confined to the brain uses whenever he/she runs across something the brain cannot comprehend.  It may apply to the physical dimension, but it does not apply to the other three dimensions of Man.

[docjp]

To place barriers of intellectualism or physicality up like a religious cross, to ward off the Esoteric references of my posts, or to label my statement as incapable of being "proven" by physical means is just the MIND seeking to defend itself, and to protect you against the possibility that there might be something of value in what I post.

But doc, the integrity of what you are saying here lies in the assumption that what you are saying is irrefutable fact.  You yourself have an intellectually pernicious habit of throwing up YOUR "cross" of saying that everyone else is a materialist who is unable or unwilling to understand.  I'm telling this to you to be constructive doc.
Peace.

PS
As to non-testable we have this to say, "It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them."

And I appreciate you believe what you think.

I have never said what I am sharing is irrefutable ....  You are refuting what I posted in your post.  What i am saying is that the Esoteric is incapable of being perceived by the brain or by physical means.... and this is irrefutable, because the Esoteric consists of vibrational energies that the brain is incapable of perceiving.  If this is difficult to accept, I understand, but do not blame me for the rules of Life.

[docjp]

http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib150.html

"The great bond of all bonds is ignorance. How shall a man be free to act if he know not his own purpose?"

To this I would inquire.... What is the Purpose of Life... Let us begin there.  And to prepare the field of inquiry properly, let us accept that this "Purpose" cannot be Known by intellectual means.

And thus, philosophy fails us in this attempt.  For that I will not accept blame, but will point to the primordial Causal, and its Purpose.... which lies far beyond the reach of intellect.

[docjp]

Oh also the 3 dimensions can be called.
1. The body
2. The soul
3. The spirit
Many cultures have written about these for millennia. You are correct that each one has its own vibrational dimension. As has been stated on other posts proving or disproving their exsistance in this world is a matter of personal belief. Evidance exists, but accepting it is a matter of personel choice.   

Your list leaves off the MIND dimension, and it is perhaps even more important relative to this physical plane.
Your previous post noted: "However try using more neutral launguage and your ideas might be more accepted."
I very much appreciate your advice, and would do so... if I my experience over the last 40 years provided me with a sense that robbing those who are searching for the Truth, the Truth... just to pacify  those who fear the Truth worked, I would gladly deny what I know in favor of the ignorance so prevalent on this physical plane.  My experience is that one must be willing to take a few rocks by those who are fearful to insure that those who are seeking the truth have the opportunity of "seeing" the symbols for which they seek.

[docjp]

The physical brain gives rise to the mind, so therefore the mind exists in physical reality.

Now this is something we can all appreciate.  Could you please, provide us the evidence of what you claim?

And may I help by offering the mystical fact that the MIND was attached to the Soul as the Soul entered the Creation in the beginning of Creation?  This is stated [although not directly] in the Bible.  And this is also stated in most Eastern scriptures.  And of course this happening occurred several millions of years prior to the development of the brain within the early human beings.  You are aware that the MIND is not physical, are you not?

I very much look forward to your demonstrating the MIND physically.

[docjp]

Sorry Bill, When you make the statement that the people you are trying to reach will be unable to understand what you are saying. That presents a pretty high degree of alienateing them."
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I believe I included in my statement the term "Thinkers", and this term is important since the entire statement rests upon the inherent limitation of those individuals I refer to as "Thinkers":  Individuals limited to, or confined to the Left-Hemisphere of the brain as their only means of relating to this physical plane. Further explained on the site: <http://about-psychology.com/intelack.html>

I often assume people reading what I post possess understanding or an openness to the "unknown", or at least unlabeled, than is sometimes  the case.  That is a short-coming of mine.  docjp

[docjp]

I've been skimming docjp's site, and I'm beginning to wonder what exactly his credentials are, Seeing as the brain is the command center for the body and the seat of conscious awareness makes me wonder how exactly docjp discovered this knowledge.  Maybe an angel left it in a book of golden plates. 

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The first thing someone confined to the brain and its thinking does is to question a person's "credentials"... and this person does this because his MIND is fearful that, if he continues to expose himself to what is "unknown" to him.. he just might rise above the fear of his MIND that prevents such a person from opening himself to that which his brain cannot perceive.

Just for you, I will list my credentials:  AA, BA, MA, MS, Ph.D., and in these you will find absolutely nothing that would be helpful in answering your nest question:  How did I come upon what I claim to know?

And no, it was not an angle... usually written with a capital "A", but for those who do not believe in Angels, using a small "a" is a nice way to show disrespect for what one fears.

In 1978, engaging in a Gestalt session of psychotherapy, I shifted chairs three times and dropped deep into my MIND, where I re-experienced myself standing before my mother who was fully enraged over something I had done.  At that moment, I "knew" that if I continued to seek her love... I was putting myself [my life] in danger.  And so, I ordered my MIND to never again allow me to seek or satisfy my emotional needs from outside myself.

Of course, for those reading this who are not familiar with competent and deep catharsis therapy, this might read as a bunch of words that are delusional in nature.   My words are merely an attempt to put into writing an experience that I had.  And this experience put me in touch with my own faculty of Intuition, which [at age 43] had been in denial since age three.  In other words, I had, for about 40 years, been in denial of my own emotionality [my MIND] and my own Spirituality [the source of Intuition].   This began an almost endless discovery process wherein I was discovering the operational dynamics of my own MIND, and the MINDs of my clients over a thirty plus year career as a psychotherapist.   Couple this unusual situation with 40 years of 2.5 hours daily meditation following a Spiritual path,  and you have the explainable aspects of where I discovered what it is I am sharing.

It is usually not a good idea to discount a person with whom one disagrees, unless one "Knows" where that person is, relative to the Spiritual Evolution of that person's Soul on the Ladder of Life.  But this is what i have fond to be true..... and it perhaps only applies to me?