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« on: January 21, 2012, 05:36:09 PM »
 ??? What is free will except words? You can't help people unless they want the help. If a person is on there last nerve and decides to kill someone, are a person has to take drastic measures to just be understood, the law would try to persuade them to be calm against there free will. Could this be considered mental illness because in there mind they are using there free will? pljames

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Re: Free will
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 05:49:39 PM »
When free will oppresses or forces it self on others it is impeding other peoples free will. This leads to anti social behavior or conflict. The law will attempt to correct this behavior when it becomes extreme. Unfortunately many times it can only punish someone after the fact. The police usually arrive after a crime has been commited. That doesn't take into account the number of crimes that weren't commited because people were afraid of the consequences. Or the number of crimes that go undetected or unsolved. Freedom is a double edged sword. It allows us to help or to harm. Sometimes the choice is not so clear. Peace
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 06:25:31 PM »
LOL! I feel like crap. I am supposed to go to the doctor begining of Febuary. It got postponed so he could do more research. I am very knowledgable of my condition and he wants to make sure he is also.

Life is a never ending series of choices. Once done they can not be be undone. We can just make new choices to influence the previous choices. If we try and always make positive and correct choices? This process is easier. How do you predict the unpredictable?
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Re: Free will
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 06:41:42 PM »
I understand. I think the only practical way is to attempt to take measures to prevent it or guard against it, but when do you become paradoid and when are we wasting time and resources?

Storms come and trials make life difficult. If we are wise they also teach us the most valuble lessons. How do we know what tastes good if we haven't tasted something bad? How do we know what makes us happy if we haven't felt sad.
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Time is all we really have.

We do not own the earth. We are borrowing it from our children.

Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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Re: Free will
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 06:49:15 PM »
We learn by doing, there is not any other way. pljames

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Re: Free will
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 07:23:21 PM »
That's true. Good Luck. I know it is hard. I am praying for you.   Earl
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Re: Free will
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 05:58:38 PM »
hard science: You make a lot of assumptions.
1. I am not a psych student.
2. There is a paradox in science. How can you conserve all species so as to have biodynamic/genetic diversity?
And at the same time follow evolution which teaches survival of the fittest? That weaker species are supposed to die out?
3. You assume that all people who pray are intolerant of other people and that is a generalization that is ignorant and prejudicial.
4 Love thy neighbor is hardly stupid. If more people actually practiced it the world would be a much better place.
5. All species must be understood? How do you propose to do that? Humans can't even understand other humans many times. How are you going to understand every species? I can see you talking to an amoeba. How are you today? How the wife and kids? LOL!
6. You are supposed to stay on topic. I have free will to do what I choose to an extent. Prayer, meditation, positive thoughts, etc. have been shown to effect things in a positive way.   
Time is all we really have.

We do not own the earth. We are borrowing it from our children.

Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 12:44:53 AM »
Oh am I invading. Really. What are you afraid of? Serendipity so you think I am here by accident? Or that I am here to learn by accident? Another wrong assumption. As is the one where you call me a drunk. I don't drink. Keep demonstrating your ignorance it's funny.

Time is all we really have.

We do not own the earth. We are borrowing it from our children.

Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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Re: Free will
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 02:10:26 AM »
Hard Science,
 Why did you charge my friend Martin with mimicry and drunk? He exspressed his belief and you attacked him. Did you have a motive to exspress your disbelief for his belief? Everone on this site is here to learn not criticise there beliefs. Why do you think you are better than he and his beliefs?  pljames

Right. Not a psych student, but an invasion of a psych site by intent, and a bug to study by serendipity.

Your list shows the usual drunk's flair for mimicry.

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Re: Free will
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 05:36:57 PM »
That would depend on your actual definition of perception and belief. I percieve somethings, which perception is only so accurate. Also I believe somethings and again belief is only so accurate. I am able to do both of these at the sametime. I perceive something to exist and this leads me to form beliefs about what I percieve.
I seriously think you are a patient and no very little about Psychology. If you do it is very little and you are fooling yourself into thinking you know more than you do.
Time is all we really have.

We do not own the earth. We are borrowing it from our children.

Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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Re: Free will
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 09:37:18 PM »
@pljames

thank you for the notification. i am aware of the issue.
everyone can see that this user is not making much sense in his posts and is mostly making a fool of himself. this persons senseless comments are a reflection of himself not of you. Earl is big enough to look after himself.
The so-called miraculous powers of a great master are a natural accompaniment to his exact understanding of subtle laws that operate in the inner cosmos of consciousness.

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Re: Free will[/hoarding? Is it a addiction or delusionary?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 09:51:26 PM »
It is said Hoarding has two meanings. One is, if the hoarder uses what they hoard then it is not a addiction. If they do then it is a addiction with delusions and can be a safety hazard toward the hoarder and family. Could this come under mental illness? I have had both addiction and delusions. Thoughts please. pljames

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 10:00:23 PM »
Obsessive behavior that endangers either the individual or other people "can" be a mental illness. It would have to be taken on a case by case basis by a professional to be sure.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 10:12:07 PM »
It is said Hoarding has two meanings. One is, if the hoarder uses what they hoard then it is not a addiction. If they do then it is a addiction with delusions and can be a safety hazard toward the hoarder and family. Could this come under mental illness? I have had both addiction and delusions. Thoughts please. pljames
hoarding is a psychological disorder. it would be classed as an illness if it caused significant functional or emotional problems.
if you could clarify one thing for me, what is the relevance to you whether or not it comes under mental illness?
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Re: Free will
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 12:37:37 AM »
I have been a addict and delusioned. To me both words are related to unrational behavior. Both can harm the person mentally and physically. For me and my wife it has caused functional and emotional problems for me. pljames


It is said Hoarding has two meanings. One is, if the hoarder uses what they hoard then it is not a addiction. If they do then it is a addiction with delusions and can be a safety hazard toward the hoarder and family. Could this come under mental illness? I have had both addiction and delusions. Thoughts please. pljames
hoarding is a psychological disorder. it would be classed as an illness if it caused significant functional or emotional problems.
if you could clarify one thing for me, what is the relevance to you whether or not it comes under mental illness?

 

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