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« on: October 16, 2010, 07:47:11 PM »
I'm in need of direction....

I have a huge problem, and I don't know what it is.

I have always struggled with impulse control- when I was younger, I would return home with perfect report cards- except the ever present comments about my inability to sit still, inappropriate comments, and problems talking out of turn.  As I grew older, my impulse control issues shifted- shoplifting, reckless driving, and now- for the last ten years, huge financial management issues.

I have been fortunate in that I've always skirted around getting in serious trouble- talked my way out of tickets in court (or at least had them lowered), talked my way out of being prosecuted for shoplifting (caught twice, let go both times), and talked my way out of serious financial repercussions.

I graduated with a business degree from a very reputable college, but only by the skin of my teeth.  Again, impulse control- I would push as far as I could before breaking with my school work (turning in papers 2 weeks late by sweet talking professors, etc).

I have a variety of other issues that go along with this- I kind of float between highs and lows, although I've never been 'stuck in bed for days' or felt suicidal.  

As an adult, I am now married with children, which is leading me to seek help for my problems.  I don't want to be like this any more, I just want to be normal....I have an appointment with a metal health professional, but the wait is ridiculous (5 weeks!)
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Re: Help...?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2010, 10:35:10 AM »
I don't think there is anything wrong with you & I certainly wouldn't pin all your hopes on 'mental health professionals' you have recognised your behaviour patten on introspection and this is more than most 'mental health professionals' will do. They are not magicians if you are expecting them to solve your problem, you may be very disappointed. It may help, but I suspect what you will get is assessment then put on another waiting list for 'counselling' which in this day & age is 'Person Centred' and is basically talking therapy. You talk & they listen. If could go into CBT after ages but this is just turning negative thoughts into positive ones.

Your behaviour is typical of a risk taker/thrill seeker. I do similar things. Infact business people and entrepreneur are risk takers. Thrill seeker are more likely to do high adrenelin sports but the 'risk' is still the motivation. There is nothing wrong with them and there is nothing wrong with you. Shoplifting is common amongst people who are of these traits as is drug taking & unprotected sex and other things. You are normal.

Google search RISK TAKING BEHAVOUR and THRILL SEEKING PERSONALITY for more information.


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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2010, 08:34:26 PM »
Thank you for the response- I will definitely research those terms....

When I looked up impulse spending, I found a lot of links to BPD and Bipolar Disorder...I wonder what the difference is between someone who makes impulsive decisions, and someone who is suffering from a mental disorder?

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 06:09:30 AM »
I'm in need of direction....

I have a huge problem, and I don't know what it is.

I have always struggled with impulse control- when I was younger, I would return home with perfect report cards- except the ever present comments about my inability to sit still, inappropriate comments, and problems talking out of turn.  As I grew older, my impulse control issues shifted- shoplifting, reckless driving, and now- for the last ten years, huge financial management issues.

I have been fortunate in that I've always skirted around getting in serious trouble- talked my way out of tickets in court (or at least had them lowered), talked my way out of being prosecuted for shoplifting (caught twice, let go both times), and talked my way out of serious financial repercussions.

I graduated with a business degree from a very reputable college, but only by the skin of my teeth.  Again, impulse control- I would push as far as I could before breaking with my school work (turning in papers 2 weeks late by sweet talking professors, etc).

I have a variety of other issues that go along with this- I kind of float between highs and lows, although I've never been 'stuck in bed for days' or felt suicidal. 

As an adult, I am now married with children, which is leading me to seek help for my problems.  I don't want to be like this any more, I just want to be normal....I have an appointment with a metal health professional, but the wait is ridiculous (5 weeks!)
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The professionals are all different, if the first one dosen't seem to help get a different person with different knowledge and expiriences. Look for info yourself, I am reminded of people who were scolded or even just felt bad by themselves for having a potty training accident are dependent, wasteful with money, I don't remember impulsive for sure, maybe though, and clean or messy. I think its called anal. Not negative of course, just cause an effect. I am not saying this is your problem, just that you can find an explaination and the steps needed to change your brain to work the way you want it to.

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 09:34:23 AM »
Do me a favor and take an ADD or ADHD quiz online.

I know those are not meant as a diagnostic tool but they do help narrow down the possibilities.

Tell us what you think.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 05:24:21 PM »
Do me a favor and take an ADD or ADHD quiz online.

I know those are not meant as a diagnostic tool but they do help narrow down the possibilities.

Tell us what you think.

You are dangerously irresponsible. Never act or form thoughts based on any online test, especially not when it relates to medicine and mental health. Everyone who uses the Internet should know this by now.

Edit: I'll post some real advice if I remember to (it will involve seeing a professional), but for now I'm just doing a check on NataEames' recent posts to make sure he/she/it isn't spreading too much dangerous misinformation around to people who need real help.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 07:39:06 PM »
Voodoo scientist, obviously you're getting back at me by not reading my posts completely too. LOL

I made a specific point that online quizzes shouldn't be used as an official diagnosis.

But they do contain a lot of symptoms and signs which this person here may or may not recognize from his own behavior. I could have gone ahead and copy pasted the questions from those quizzes here but that doesn't sound reasonable to my mind.

If this was an emergency, he would be seeing a couch psychologist right now. But he is obviously still looking for clues and gathering information about his behavior.

I don't see anything wrong in pointing out a possible disorder, which is very common. I have helped a lot of people with attention deficit disorder and I do know that a lot of them waited until they were in a very bad state and in psychiatric care to even be diagnosed by someone.

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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 11:47:02 PM »
My entertainment preference is comedy, I came here for knowledge but this site is funnier than scripted comedy.

"Edit: I'll post some real advice if I remember to (it will involve seeing a professional), but for now I'm just doing a check on NataEames' recent posts to make sure he/she/it isn't spreading too much dangerous misinformation around to people who need real help."

hehehehehehehehe I love that :-)
(psychology police)
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 06:23:36 AM »
Voodoo scientist, I don't see why you're leaving such rude comments towards me here.

I'm not some 15 year old kid who is having fun here and needs to be "checked up" on, I have spent long hard years with loans on my head studying psychology in hopes of being able to help people some day. And as far as they have told me, I have managed to help quite a few - ranging from friends and family to strangers. These are not my observations or my ideas, these are things they have told me weeks to years later.

I don't see why you are still having such an explosive problem with me. I never had anything against you and have been reading your posts with a lot of respect and admiration since I joined this community. If you had some "corrections" to my advice, I would gladly re-read what I have written to see if I had made a mistake or not made myself clear enough.

But it is because of rude and inattentive comments like yours that I have needed to add some sort of explanation or "disclaimer" to my posts lately. I don't think that is what this community is for.

And your comments like "for now I'm just doing a check on NataEames' recent posts to make sure he/she/it isn't spreading too much dangerous misinformation around to people who need real help." are incredibly immature. Have you been appointed by somebody to dig through my profile and posts?

If I had a problem with one of your posts, I would have sent you a private message, calmly stating my concerns like an adult, instead of publicly trying to humiliate you and make the already concerned starter of this thread paranoid.

Well, by me having to answer to you here in the public forum to "defend" myself, congratulations, you have brought me down to your level of maturity and discipline.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 11:23:42 AM »
I didn't mean to stir it up. Nata I don't see this as your problem and you shouldn't have to defend yourself. It's comedy because it's so ridiculous, in a funny way, that is, the attitude of voodoo. I feel bad for saying that and I admit I have a strange sense of humour as voodoo just comes from another angle, that's fine I'm not saying is wrong, but one I find amusing. (no offence intended).

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 11:45:22 AM »
No, Mommy i can't ever take offence from you :) Besides I'm not that touchy.

Voodoo scientist has been making a lot of childish remarks these last few days and I've tried to turn them around into a joke and not take them seriously but here he has insulted me, saying that I give "dangerous misinformation" and implying that I need to be monitored.

And that he is here on his white horse to save the day from the evil witch Nata! That is actually very funny!

I wonder how old he is and what his psychology credentials are that he is questioning mine!

Oh, and Voodoo Scientist, I'm a she - you probably have noticed the little pink symbol under my name long ago so it's kinda fun trying to figure out what you were implying by the "he/she" remark.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 06:37:04 PM »
Nata, you have some very serious problems with the liberal way you apply your knowledge online. I can appreciate that you may be a recent bachelor (or possibly graduate, I guess) and want to put your knowledge to use in lieu of a real job in the field, but for your preferred deity's sake, remember that a degree confers knowledge, not authority - the fact that you have a degree needs to be self-evident in the valid claims you make based on that knowledge, it doesn't need to be said. It is wholly inappropriate for an educated psychologist to be suggesting people take an unspecified online test to help them self-diagnose.

If you really do have a degree, then this is something I know for sure that you know is both unsound and unethical, and I don't understand why or how you could post something like that to begin with. I know this probably isn't what you want to hear, but you come off exactly as maybe not fifteen, but maybe an early-mid 20s kid who definitely needs to be checked up on to prevent collateral damage. You can't just go around saying whatever you want and also try to make yourself come as an authority on the subject.

That is textbook "dangerous irresponsibility," and that is exactly why I called you on it. I have no intention of PMing you about these things now or in the future. The post was meant as a warning for the original poster, not you - I don't care if you change and become a better person or psychologist or not. Do as you will and I'll do as I will - just expect those wills to clash, "explosively" as you put it, if you don't hold yourself to a high standard of veracity when giving out psychological advice while masquerading as an authority, now and in the future.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2010, 07:27:06 PM »
Voodoo scientist, you misunderstand, I didn't tell him to self-diagnose. I just wanted to know if his symptoms also match those. I would never tell anyone to take a self-test as a means of a diagnosis, I have even gone against promoting such things.

And I'm not a kid or teenager straight out of college. I'm 26, I'm engaged for god's sake, ask around. I could even come on webcam to prove it, it's not like I'm an obese perverted guy checking out chicks online. I've nothing to hide.

Once again, I NEVER told him to self-diagnose. I am very much against that and if that is what you thought I was telling him to do then you were right to tell me off. I'm not a closed minded person and I understand things way better than most people around who are my age and some even older.

I have very much loved a lot of your posts and I consider you to be an intelligent person. You can come off a little rough and aggressive but I have admired your assertive personality as well (you're even in my buddy list for ages). I was pretty shocked to see you snap at me like that until I saw that most probably I just didn't make myself clear (which I agree can be pretty dangerous) and I admit that I do have a habit of being vague.

I don't want us to have such misunderstandings in the future. This is an amazing family-like community and such petty things ruin the whole atmosphere of it. I hope you understand. I also apologize if I sounded rude to you, I guess everyone is only human.

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 07:29:36 PM »
I'm in need of direction....

I have a huge problem, and I don't know what it is.

I have always struggled with impulse control- when I was younger, I would return home with perfect report cards- except the ever present comments about my inability to sit still, inappropriate comments, and problems talking out of turn.  As I grew older, my impulse control issues shifted- shoplifting, reckless driving, and now- for the last ten years, huge financial management issues.

I have been fortunate in that I've always skirted around getting in serious trouble- talked my way out of tickets in court (or at least had them lowered), talked my way out of being prosecuted for shoplifting (caught twice, let go both times), and talked my way out of serious financial repercussions.

I graduated with a business degree from a very reputable college, but only by the skin of my teeth.  Again, impulse control- I would push as far as I could before breaking with my school work (turning in papers 2 weeks late by sweet talking professors, etc).

I have a variety of other issues that go along with this- I kind of float between highs and lows, although I've never been 'stuck in bed for days' or felt suicidal.  

As an adult, I am now married with children, which is leading me to seek help for my problems.  I don't want to be like this any more, I just want to be normal....I have an appointment with a metal health professional, but the wait is ridiculous (5 weeks!)

Your problem is much more common than you might think, and not nearly as difficult or insurmountable as it might seem in the beginning. Like many others, you are cursed with the taboo blessing of high social intelligence and attentional skills and no positive cultural context to put that in. Simply put, you are a natural manipulator, and as any natural manipulator knows, that's not the fun Hollywood has made it out to be. Instinctively, it might seem like an innate talent for social interaction and change agency would be a huge boon, in reality the ability is almost over-adaptive today: it can be used for almost anything, as you illustrate, and so many natural manipulators become over-dependent on it.

What you need to learn is not to rely so exclusively on your social skills. Your problem isn't impulse control, it's single-dimensionality: you need to work on developing other abilities to the point where they become a viable alternative to manipulating someone else to solve the problem. Until you do, any attempt to "control" your innate talents will be an exercise in futility because it's inherently maladaptive to select an obviously inferior strategy, and human cognition isn't wired for maladaptiveness, so unless you're actively thinking about what you're thinking about (meta-cognition) at the time, you will select manipulation as your tool of choice the vast majority of the time.

What you need to concretely do is think about your behavior patterns and which adaptive strategies you use when - what are the situations where you use your over-developed talent for social interaction instead of a traditionally more appropriate strategy. You have five weeks of waiting time, and I would choose to see those weeks as preparation time, because you have a lot of learning and experimenting to do, but it'll be well worth it in the end. Once the preparation time is over, you should be able to explain your problem to your counselor, who will then be able to produce effective advice for how to fix your problem. You'll also want to use the counselor as a coach (who you bounce your observations and thoughts off) rather than a doctor (who you just expect to fix you up with science-magic).

You'll also want to watch your self-efficacy, which is how fully you believe your efforts will produce meaningful relief and one of the heaviest predictive factors in treatment success bar none, very closely. Make sure that you resolve any and all doubts with your counselor and information resources as soon as you can verbalize them. This is done to prevent as many slips in treatment compliance as possible and thus maximize treatment speed and efficiency. While you should be highly critical of any psych diagnosis (including this one), once a diagnosis you're comfortable with is made, it's better for you to actively work to have faith in your treatment than to seek out too much information on your own.

Edit: Above all, sapere aude! ;)
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