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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2010, 06:53:02 AM »
must suicide attempts fail. overdoses are the most common and least successful. people who take overdose often end up making themselves violently and painfully ill and usually end up stuck in a hospital for a few weeks. the few suicides that do succeed are the more gruesome and violent ones. even these dont always work and end up with horrific consequences. i once worked with a guy who had threwn himself off a railway bridge, he never managed to kill himself but he had broken his legs and damaged his back. he ended up in wheel chair for a long time and started to drink. i worked with him because he had become an alcoholic.
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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2010, 08:10:53 AM »
Hanging, Firearms, drug overdose seem to be high.  While many suicide attempts are related to depression and centered on the idea that, "the world without them is a better place", or, "I can't live with the feelings that are within me," most suicide attempts seek attention.  In other words, many people try suicide, not to actually kill themselves, but make sure the will be found.  For instance, a person might right a suicide note...take an overdose, and then call 911 so they are actually found.  In this case, the suicidal person is creating a specific situation to gain attention so they can make a statement about themselves.

So, there are many reasons why people want to commit suicide.  They might believe that the world might be better without the.  Yet, in other instances, it's more of a statement.  I need help and I want it now!  "I will show how much I need help.  I will do something to cause death.  Yet, find me... I need answers!"

Suicide can be a complicated issue with the individual and adresses specific needs of the individual...
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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2010, 10:16:09 AM »
There are so many types but in america, Jumping is considered the top of the deck

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2010, 02:03:58 PM »


Pretty interesting to me , because i think it represents the most difficult situation in problem solving.

Basic stuff is about our place in the world , communication or lack of it, what responses are possible in a poorly connected world.........

to get beyond the suicide  paradigm is a real leap for any person and one that opens many doors to progress.

As i said to a nurse today,
"If all else fails try being honest?"

Focus on society at present is all wrong and finding an ear or companion when you are in a bad head-space is very hard.
I had the great fortune to see someone today who who has enormous courage in spite of hospitilasation, he will recover because he has the will.

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 02:59:43 PM »
sometimes suicide seems like the easy option, it is a way to not face the world. but the rewards are not as sweet as those that come from the braver choice of living life to the fullest. if you become so down that you have nothing to live for you are at a great advantage because you have nothing to lose.

if you have nothing to lose what is there to be afraid of? you go and face the world and what is the worst that could happen?
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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2010, 10:09:22 PM »
When i attempted suicide, i overdosed on sleep meds and coke. Surprisingly and unfortunately, that didn't take.

Next time im definitely jumping from a pretty high building...

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2010, 10:59:27 PM »
Males are more likely to use firearms and successfully complete a suicide; females are much more likely to attempt suicide using pills or razors, but complete suicide no more often than males.

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 01:32:51 AM »
"if you have nothing to lose what is there to be afraid of? you go and face the world and what is the worst that could happen? "

Yes , the process of being liberated!
It is just a thought?

In part we journey along a path of lies and misinformation in life, if we are lucky we chuck aside stuff that impededes our progress and happiness.
I think we are alone in this life to a large degree but in realising this we can form more truthful relationships with others.

Truthful relationships are practical and lead to fewer  troubles, better outcomes.

Being less needy of others is a big step for some and not seeking approval of society is also very liberating , get on with your own life and know it is not a dummy run.

Most people do not have a passion in life, this is a huge problem for the them.
Passion is good for the mind and body .

Parenting can be a very passionate thing but many parents don't experience it fully.

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 01:38:26 AM »
ok thanks for responses, agree I guess with most - our family lost a person to suicide in 2007 and one to cancer, in a month of each other...a certain staff

member were I studying in college implied that this was God's punishment towards me and sneered and sniggered while saying it, when I confided in them, as

the person believed I had wronged them in some manner that I wasnt aware of at the time. Do you think there is enough done by the government about the

encouragement of suicide on the internet? (I know I've been told to commit suicide a multitude of times online - but I have grown stronger as a person from ill

treatment it makes one wise, however what is worrisome is, most vulnerable people). Do you think anything can be done about people in authority who exploit

their positions that encourage and allow this type of inhumane treatment?
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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 01:45:29 AM »
"if you have nothing to lose what is there to be afraid of? you go and face the world and what is the worst that could happen? "

Yes , the process of being liberated!
It is just a thought?

In part we journey along a path of lies and misinformation in life, if we are lucky we chuck aside stuff that impededes our progress and happiness.
I think we are alone in this life to a large degree but in realising this we can form more truthful relationships with others.

Truthful relationships are practical and lead to fewer  troubles, better outcomes.

Being less needy of others is a big step for some and not seeking approval of society is also very liberating , get on with your own life and know it is not a dummy run.

Most people do not have a passion in life, this is a huge problem for the them.
Passion is good for the mind and body .

Parenting can be a very passionate thing but many parents don't experience it fully.

Horton


Thanks, I liked that piece of advice too. There has been alot of research into compassion at the moment by Paul Gilbert, as well as a collaborative project between Daniel Goleman and the Dalai Lama, illustrating biological factors and values/emotion....without compassion there is only stagnation

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 02:10:15 AM »


Some thing happened to me a a couple of years back, maybe more recently, my job is secure now which is something that i have not had for some years.

When i turned 50 i thought i would treat my life differently from that point, not taking shite from people unless there was a good reason and being honest about who i am.

i find now i often just let the words pour out of my head and say what is on my mind.
i expect some big disaster at some point but it has not come,..yet.

this shift has really freed up the creative side in me and there are many positive consequences to it, my relationship with my wife and children is much better as well.

I work with various people who get very stressed at times and don't deal with it particularly well.
some when given the reins just plunge into a kind pit and the workplace becomes very difficult.

My thoughts are that the process of feeling joy is in part of going thru the motions even if it is not fully felt .  Much like smiling ?
The process gains momentum gradually.

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2010, 06:08:11 AM »
@Pilot

Guess ur a late starter, what do u mean honest about who u are? I expect everyone to be always honest about who they are; are you one of those people who are contradictory? two-faced? a little hypocrite? ... reading your post I'm getting the impression that your choice of path out of this mode of operating, is a self-righteous, bitter attitude, correct me if im wrong...it is a start but not best way forward

I cant imagine not being completely honest with myself, and completely honest with others, it agitates me to specify the exact truth of a situation, or representation of something - if I wasnt completely honest with myself or who i am, i dont think i could live with myself......it is the one path to happiness, your relationship with yourself, an honest one....when i was growing up, peer pressure never bothered me, i reckoned if they were like that they werent being worth friends with, i never drank, never smoked,  never had sex...but i was truly happy with myself, cos i did what i wanted and never wanted to be a sheep....i ALWAYS lead myself, I wanted to choose the right road and be educated...and well, im not pushed to be part of group mindsets, cos they all seem as dumb as each other, esp. they all seems to pursue rather fickle, insignificant things, and tend to be immature

you must have been going through a cognitive dissonance not being truly honest with yourself, some anger issues reside in ur last post, not in ur previous post


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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2010, 01:12:38 PM »


As you get older you are able to be more critical and see with greater clarity.


This is my point , what passes for honesty at a younger age does not find the mark later.

You seem to have your own issues?


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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2010, 02:02:33 PM »
suicide is forbidden in my country. they carry you to hospital for years and years and beats you alltogether till u live again. a free-for-all.  the netherlands again are another country! imagine a dutch catholic who doesn't want to live anymore, cause his wife beats him so!  :'(

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2010, 03:19:14 PM »
If you are to commit suicide, make sure you do it right, otherwise you'll still be alive, miserable and possibly crippled.

Some "survivors" claim that they have become all better and realized that life is worth living and all the other nonsense.

Either their suicide attempt was impulsive (cause of drugs, hormones blah blah) or they've just been brainwashed by their shrinks to believe that life is worth living.

If we have a right to live, then we have a right to die!

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2010, 03:20:14 PM »


As you get older you are able to be more critical and see with greater clarity.


This is my point , what passes for honesty at a younger age does not find the mark later.

You seem to have your own issues?


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Ok sometimes, but I think what your describing is more confidence with age as opposed to clarity. Sometimes older people think they see clearer but is rather a confidence in the belief they see clearer, as opposed to actually thinking clearer in my experiences, they cant see beyond their limiting frameworks but in their minds their established framework constitutes a clarity for them...if you see what I mean

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2010, 03:27:38 PM »
they've just been brainwashed by their shrinks to believe that life is worth living.

Isnt that a better thing, than being brainwashed into believing their worthless and useless in society, and that there is no hope for the future ... I think its older

people's objective, and I feel a role of even myself for younger people - to give them hope for the future, considering these recession times publicize negative

values. For suicidal people, they have already been conditioned into believing their worthless, and useless through ill treatment or abuse. Think there needs to

be restoration on constructing and developing the ideology of hope...through music, art or other means...think society needs to rechange their paradigm cos

there are alot of screwed up people out there, with screwed up values...
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2010, 03:33:27 PM »
Brainwashing does not actually take the bad thoughts from your mind and replace them with happy thoughts. If that were true, I'd be all for it.

But it just suppresses them and then they stay in your unconscious, leaving you feeling confused but trying to convince yourself that everythings ok. Is that any way to live?

I had a bad childhood, i don't deny that and instead of repressing it or ignoring it, i made it my reason to help children who are in a similar situation, so they don't have to carry that burden.

I truly believe that facing your problems is the only answer, if you dont, they will come back some other time and bite you straight on the...

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2010, 12:04:20 AM »

Clarity and a more refined view are helpful in dealing with difficult situations .
Problems come even when we have some understanding of a situation in taking action that will bring some control of a situation as in domestic violence, where the party has the means to leave the situation. Confidence does come into it but it is about denial and listening to good advice sometimes.
Even when we know what we should do it is hard to do what will be "best".

"I truly believe that facing your problems is the only answer..."

Sometimes other stuff is more pressing , just surviving the immediate time,when we are better we can deal with issues rather than face them right now.
I have mixed feelings about facing everything and the need to resolve every detail.
It could be better sometimes to just walk away and never look back this is a serious option?

Sometimes there is little apparent hope and how does the person get through this?
Unemployment and poverty can contribute to desperate feelings and agencies here in Oz are worse than useless, destructive in fact.

Getting the right help in some circumstances can change a person's life?

"Ideology of hope" is a huge concept totally at odds with society of today where hope is financial freedom. Perhaps the big question?

Certain things we can't change and practical solutions can be as simple as putting proper distance between ourselves and destructive influences?

Non contact policy with certain people or a change of situation as in a depressing work-place can be effective in changing our lives for the better for example.


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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2010, 12:07:18 AM »
But what is the point of just going on? You need to live fully!

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2010, 02:10:32 PM »


"But what is the point of just going on? You need to live fully!"

Good advice for all people , unwell or otherwise.


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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2010, 03:57:42 AM »
Problems come even when we have some understanding of a situation in taking action that will bring some control of a situation as in domestic violence, where the party has the means to leave the situation. Confidence does come into it but it is about denial and listening to good advice sometimes.

This section is incoherent and fragmented: it reads like a dialectical structure and contradictory - can you punctuate it? It might benefit some people who've

come from a similar background as yours of domestic violence

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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2010, 04:03:34 AM »
I had a bad childhood, i don't deny that and instead of repressing it or ignoring it, i made it my reason to help children who are in a similar situation, so they don't have to carry that burden.

Thats awful I feel really bad for you, I was lucky to have ideal childhood with lots of nurturing and warmth, I agree I think youre a wonderful person to be able to do

this for them, I think it should make the world of difference to their lives, good on you
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2010, 06:35:22 AM »
Thank you for your kind words. But even though i was unhappy in my childhood, i have a wonderful man by my side, who would rather be hurt than see anything happen to me. I feel stronger from overcoming my traumatic experiences, my depression and my OCD and i feel blessed to have the chance to help others do the same. I'm finally at peace in my mind.

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2010, 01:32:14 PM »
'Problems come even when we have some understanding of a situation in taking action that will bring some control of a situation as in domestic violence, where the party has the means to leave the situation. Confidence does come into it but it is about denial and listening to good advice sometimes"

"it reads like a dialectical structure and contradictory "

Sorry you don't understand.

The reasons why people don't leave destructive situations are very contradictory in many instances. I don't claim to understand why.
What i see is that freedom is what you grab.
I have noticed many people reject opportunities that will change their happiness.

But for sure there is often choice where the victims don't see it.
Reclaiming one's life is a long process, 10 minute session with your GP probably is not enough?

WB,
"come from a similar background as yours of domestic violence "
Your confusing posts, no background of this.

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2010, 09:38:42 PM »
I've considered the reason why people suicide and I find it's possibly for two reasons, that of the feeling of hopelessness - they cannot see a way out of their problems at all. This comes through communication breakdown and a sense of 'no one understands' or 'could understand'. The other reason is to as a means of retaliation to those who they feel have hedged them in the tightest corner. A suicide victim will not feel like there are any options open - even though to others on the outside there were obvious options for that person.

But to the suicide victim, their emotional state is so depressed that they feel squeezed into the tightest place, one from which there is no escape. They cannot see a way out of their tragic situation, no matter how they might try to imagine. And if it's other people who have made them feel these dark feelings of utter despair, then it's a way to send a message to them.

What can make it worse, unfortuately, is when well-meaning people say things like "you'll get over it" ie deep depression/hopelessness feelings. Currently in Australia there is an intiative where you can ask someone who you might think is in trouble this way the question "R U OK?". It's just a simple question and one that needs asking to people that might be at risk.

The other thing you might actually say is "you are ok" - but not as an encouragement - more as a 'fact'. Like as in "you're on ok person, accepted and appreciated". Sometimes a simple word of sincere encouragement can turn someone around.

Personally I marvel at the courage it must take suicide victims to either attempt or carry out the act. Why is it they have courage to suicide but not the courage to try to fight their way through their situation? I find it puzzling.

For interesting reading in a fiction, I can recommed the novel by Paulo Coelo "Veronika Decides to Die". The ending is surprising.

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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2010, 03:00:34 AM »
The courage to do something for a moment and have the pain be short is one thing and the courage to keep doing something with the pain going on is another.
I wanted everything to stop at once, all the pain and the hopelessness, that's why i attempted suicide. Other people decide to go on with the pain (this can be out of courage and hope to go on or out of cowardice of the sudden pain and death, it depends on the person)

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2010, 03:39:29 AM »

I don't see a lot of courage in most people, just easy options.
And i don't subscribe to the view that suicide is for  the weak at all, because it isn't.

Sometimes i see remarkable courage, mostly wordless.

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Re: What is the most common way people commit suicide? highest rate?
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2010, 05:16:08 AM »
does anyone know?
people who have past attempts, a family member with a history of depression, and depression themselves are the most likely. When suicide is easy is when it usually happens, the top 3 were guns, ?something? sorry, and suffocation. Suicide is most likely right after released from hospital.
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