Your Spiritual Leaders Are Being Killed & They Don’t Want ‘You’ To Know About It

[starseedleo]

Your Spiritual Leaders Are Being Killed & They Don’t Want ‘You’ To Know About It!

starseedleo.blogspot dotcom Please Pass This Along My Friends ASAP, Drop Links Wherever Possible.

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I haven't followed your links, religion, spirituality can damage the mind and make a person paranoid amongst many other things. Have you ever heard of Horus? He was the Egyptian son of god, that being sun god, horus was the sun god. Jesus is the same story of Horus, note the sun/son of god and the 12 disciples are the months of the year. Please see here for more of the how the story of Horus has become the story of modern religions including Christianity.

[voodoo scientist]

starseedleo, I think it's really too bad you've taken to wasting your energy barking up this tree. Even if you were hypothetically right, nothing you're saying is sufficiently eloquent, substantiated or even thought out to convince anyone to give up what is being told by traditionally trustworthy sources, unless they had no opinion in the first place and yours' is the first opinion they encounter.

If I were a practitioner, and I'm not saying I am, and I decided to take you on your word here, I would be suspended and be sued by my patients or their families within a very short amount of time, or would at least have to stop accepting patients - and you have to remember that these are not people being forced, but people who themselves consider their lives to be in ruins or spiraling out of control. What you completely fail to understand is that they don't come in claiming they are shamans OR schizophrenic, they come in saying "I have a problem, please help me." In short, you're an irresponsible quack who badly needs to educate themselves. Modern psychiatric medicine isn't a cure and nobody's saying it is (except apparently you), it's a treatment that is intended to provide relief from symptoms the patient describes of his own accord.

Aside from that, the reason 12 figures into ancient history a lot is because of the way they had to do math: writing material was extremely inaccessible, and so most everyday math had to be done unassisted. 12 is a highly composite number (you may want to look this up) and the first such that is higher than 10, which makes a base-12 system better for unassisted arithmetic than a base-10 system under the conditions of ancient history, and arguably the best they could have gone with (though other base numbers were also used, like base-60 in ancient Babylonian math, they were also highly composite numbers).

As paper and other math aids became more commonplace, base-10 (and the number 10) supplanted base-12 (and the number 12) as the primary number system. With that, the cultural importance of the number 12 gradually dropped, and today we don't see 12 much outside of relics like the US measurement system. Indeed, part the reason the US has not adopted the metric system, aside from sheer conservatism, is that base-12 is just plain easier for humans to work with unassisted than base-10.

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voodoo I'm giving you bad karma for manipulating the discussion into that of ancient numeracy.

[starseedleo]

I' sorry my friend I didn't understand that bit about the numbers however, I have to say, your lack of concern about our people really concerns me.  

I would suggest reading the information slowly which makes perfect sense, and you will be able to educate your Doctor and even MH expert as I did.  This is outrages what is happening to our most spiritual of people.  I truly hope others will help in spreading thw word about our abilities.

Don't ever let a criminal system or clueless Doctors tell you whats best for you my friends.  These drugs are heading for the bin if we wake enough people up.  Who knows we may end up holding our natural spiritiual leaders in high regard in which case most of them would not develop MH problems.  Imagine that, Heavenly.

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starseedleo I understand your distress at what you discover.
What I see in your videos is people in authority abusing their positions, exercising power in the most perverse ways. This has nothing to do with the health service or spiritualism this is sadly human nature.
The guy in the first video says:
"I got raped of a saturday, a merciful beating after it and he came along the following morning and stuffed holy communion in my mouth"

This looks like an irish production where religion is still very preveleant. Let me tell you something a police man once told me many stories about peadophiles. I've give one example but it relates to many of them and the fact that they will do anything to be amongst children. Including join the ministry, it attracts them, they may not believe in god they have only one desire and that is to be in a position to abuse children. They go to extreme lenghts often taking years of dedication to gain trust, set up scout or sports practices with their only motivation to sexually abuse children. This is what they live for and therefore pursue a career or hobbie that enables them to carry out their desires. Sadly, many people are cruel and perverse, just like the woman who put the cat in the wheely bin, people are by and large, horrible.

But most people also trust the voice of authority (Doctors, teachers, religious figues etc)without question, I question everything do you? I don't think so.. As in the last video the guy says "Inform yourself, educate yourself" I totally agree.  If you are going on about spiritual leaders, you need to know the origins of what you believe in and you need to know the story of Horus. You need to inform and educate yourself on why you believe the authority of religion, just like you once believed the authority of the mental health system.  I've watched your video's please watch this.

[pert -5]

I've watched your video's please watch this.

Lex talionis!! 

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Why do people believe in God? Do they know that Jesus is Horus the Sun God, from ancient Egyptian myth, do they know the god they worship is the sun? do they know the history of Christianity, of Constantine, do they know there are no documented records of Jesus by historians of that time, do they know the 10 commandments are taken from the Egyptian book of the dead or that the three kings is a star constellation, do they know the eye of Horus is on the US 1 dollar bill?

Everyone should know this.
part 1
part 2
part 3

Why do people believe in God? If you believe in God please tell me why, thanks.

[hortonpilot]

Mum,
Let me tell you something a police man once told me many stories about peadophiles. I've give one example but it relates to many of them and the fact that they will do anything to be amongst children.

Can you elaborate further?

This got me thinking of how some people are incredibly driven towards a goal, in fact so patiently pursuing a goal that we don't understand .
Interesting deviant behavior.

like many things in life the process is related to the outcome.
So if we recognise an aberrant process we should stop it before the outcome?

this would be the practical thing to do but never happens.

Recently with a complaint with RSPCA i put to them a case of animal cruelty an the basis that it must exist because of certain behavior of animals. I suggested they work backwards .

Process and out-comes are never addressed.
Horton

[starseedleo]

There are two types, a predator and an oppertunist.  I don't like talking of such distasteful things.  Perhaps you you should create new forum thread for that kind of discussion.   I fail to see the relevance.  Though they probably need an awareness of God also to save their eternal souls from Evil.

[hortonpilot]

Many pedos hide behind the cloak of god and so would be well aware of religion and ethics, in fact manipulate both.

Horton.

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Starseedleo you are shouting from the rooftops without an audience and the way you're going about your campaign is in ignorance. You are not, I repeat NOT LISTENING.
Because you associate your campaign with God and without listening to what people are saying you are coming across as a crazy fundamentalist on a mission. This is not the way to get your message heard. You need to listen to people but you are ignoring all the good advice along the way because you are single minded on what you are doing, which isn't doing you any favours. You don't know who Horus is.  Horus was the Sun God of ancient Egypt, born on the 25th December to a virgin. Horus/Jesus - Sun God/Son of God are one of the same. But you'll never know this because of your blind ignorance. Blind in your faith and blind in your campaign. Why don't you try opening your eyes and your ears.

Horton, yes I'll elaborate later have to go now.

[starseedleo]

Some good points made in here.  So why do you think people give these organisations and the likes such authourity.

[hortonpilot]

Most people can't think for themselves on important matters.

Lack of ethical base means you have to many choices, people give in to solutions that have poor outcomes?

Horton

[SWM]

Why do people believe in God? If you believe in God please tell me why, thanks.

if you were to ask why do you believe in the sun? because it rises every morning, you wake up and open your curtains, there is the sun you open your front door there is the sun. you see it movements tracking its regular course as you go about your day. it would be more accurate to say, you do not believe in the sun you know the sun. people who witness god do not belive in god they know god.

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the sun isn't a very good analogy as it's in the psysical & geographical world. God however is not.
I understand some things more than others, yet I fail to comprehend some things too, like advanced maths is beyond my comprehension. I understand the process of story & construction of stories and how stories can become embed into culture. I understand the human condition more than most too.

"Pass reinforcements we're going to advance" were the instructions passed down a line of soldiers, by word of mouth one to another, on reaching the end of that line the message was "Pass 3 and 4 pence we're going to a dance" that is true and how words, meaning, messages become distorted when communicated this way.
Therefore I can easily see how the story of Horus has become the story of Jesus.

I think a better analogy would have been people believe they're talented, they wake up knowing they have talent, they can't see it, touch it or smell it, but they know one day that talent will be recognised because they believe they have the talent.

People believe in god because they are told to and don't question it, if they are told there is not god they're given a choice, if they choose to still believe in god it is because they want to. I think people believe in god because they want to. Is this right?

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Horton, the example I was going to give I think only appropriate I share it in brief.
A man (peadaphile) moved to a town and immediately saw this young boy. He set his sight upon this boy and began to build a construct of avenues to become close to this particular boy. He did his research and found out what the boy liked. He found out he liked football, he then set up a community football organisation for the age group of this boy, & also found ways to interact with his parents to encourage them come along. He took a long time and slowly built up trust with one clear intention.
Years later when he was arrested and my friend the policeman had involvement with the case, the man quite openly divulged his methods and told all. My policeman friend said it was 'unreliable' and 'incredible' with reference to 'the lengths this man had gone to, to gain access to this one boy'...
But it speaks of the way the majority of them operate.

An artist will find paint, a writer will find a pen, a campaigner will find a cause, a paedophile will find children.

(Sorry for deviating - I deserve bad karma as punishment)

[SWM]

any analogy we use will be contrived to suit the purpose but from my perspective the sun is a good example because for people who experience god daily in their lives their is a subjective experience of that spiritual presence. just as you have the subjective experience of the objective presence of the sun.

its not just the story of horus that became the story of jesus. there are at least sixteen other myths involving crucified saviours.

[SWM]

@starseedleo i understand the concerns that you have for people with mental illness and i can relate to your purpose to help them find something construtive to make sense of their illness.

i agree that there is a lot that we do not understand about the human mind, the brain and medicine and because of that some people are made worse by the medication they take.

i beleive if you were to get to know a wider variety of people who present to psychiatric care services with problems you might realise that the situation you are describing is not quite as clear cut as you might at first presume.

there are a lot of people that do not have spiritual beliefs that present in psychiatric services that do not want to be "woken up" or whatever term on might use. many people with sever mental illness just want the symptoms to go away so they can live a "normal life".

attacking or confronting the medical science approach to mental illness will not change an awful lot for better or for worse until our culture as a whole is ready to be more open to those realities.

medicine is predominantly (and rightly so) operationalised in a scientific manner and generally science is intolerant of any notions of spirituality. psychiatry is not ready to adopt a spiritual approach to mental illness. many patients are not ready to adopt a spiritual approach to their problems and for some patients that would cause even greater distress than they already have.

when our culture has opened up to those spiritual realities then science, psychiatry and medicine will be their with us.

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@swm "its not just the story of horus that became the story of jesus. there are at least sixteen other myths involving crucified saviours"

Isn't that because all the other myths like Jesus are descended from Horus (3000 BC).
For example we know Horus as Jesus
In Phyrgia (ancient greece 1200 BCE) Horus became Attis
In India (900 BC) Horus became Khrishna
In Greece (500 BC) Horus became Dionysus
In Persia (1200 BC) Horus became Mythra

Note, all these came after Horus. Each culture has tailored and personified the Egyptian sun god Horus into their own son of the divine.. Also note, these share many other attributes like born on 25th december unto a virgin (like Horus), also performed miricles, some walked on water, had 12 disclples (12 being the months of the year as Christianity is astrology of the ancient Egypt), all died & resurected etc etc..

"The Christian religion is a parody of the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Jesus in place of the sun god Horus, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun". Thomas Faine 1737-1809

1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda.
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine Teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of Xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ixion and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohamud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.

To name but a few. And remember Christianity was a minority religion until Constantine reported winning the battle with the help of the Christian god, which was for political gain.

All of these birthdays were celebrated on the 25 of December which is also the winter solstic of the sun. And, all of them were celebrated on Easter, which is the Spring Equinox of the Sun. And, all were born in a manger or a cave with wise men, sheep/lamb, etc.
Which is the story of Horus the Sun God in Egyptian Mythology. Christmas is a pagan tradition based on the sun. And died on the cross is astrological as the sun dies (winter solstis and is resurected) it is about astrology as was Horus.

Some interesting links
http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html
http://testimonials.exchristian.net/2006/05/jesus-is-sun.html
can't be bothered, christiany is plagarised from pagan mythology, that is fact. But convenient left out of the education curriculum.

[hortonpilot]

Mum,
"But it speaks of the way the majority of them operate."

 i have speculated about this idea in a very general way.
Do people with the same interests swap notes and/or coach others in methods that work?

It seems unlikely that people all independently come to the same solution to operate, be it being a pedaphile or some financial scammer but more likely they swap notes to arrive at the destination?

Criminal knowledge being passed around and under what circumstances?
At some levels where the margins of criminality and business are blurred you wonder if they hold seminars?

Horton

[pert -5]

@swm "its not just the story of horus that became the story of jesus. there are at least sixteen other myths involving crucified saviours"

Isn't that because all the other myths like Jesus are descended from Horus (3000 BC).
For example we know Horus as Jesus
In Phyrgia (ancient greece 1200 BCE) Horus became Attis
In India (900 BC) Horus became Khrishna
In Greece (500 BC) Horus became Dionysus
In Persia (1200 BC) Horus became Mythra

Note, all these came after Horus. Each culture has tailored and personified the Egyptian sun god Horus into their own son of the divine.. Also note, these share many other attributes like born on 25th december unto a virgin (like Horus), also performed miricles, some walked on water, had 12 disclples (12 being the months of the year as Christianity is astrology of the ancient Egypt), all died & resurected etc etc..

"The Christian religion is a parody of the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Jesus in place of the sun god Horus, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun". Thomas Faine 1737-1809

1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda.
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine Teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of Xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ixion and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohamud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.

To name but a few. And remember Christianity was a minority religion until Constantine reported winning the battle with the help of the Christian god, which was for political gain.

All of these birthdays were celebrated on the 25 of December which is also the winter solstic of the sun. And, all of them were celebrated on Easter, which is the Spring Equinox of the Sun. And, all were born in a manger or a cave with wise men, sheep/lamb, etc.
Which is the story of Horus the Sun God in Egyptian Mythology. Christmas is a pagan tradition based on the sun. And died on the cross is astrological as the sun dies (winter solstis and is resurected) it is about astrology as was Horus.

Some interesting links
http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html
http://testimonials.exchristian.net/2006/05/jesus-is-sun.html
can't be bothered, christiany is plagarised from pagan mythology, that is fact. But convenient left out of the education curriculum.

You forgot Osiris.  In fact, this is all Old Aeon stuff.  All of these figures you named have their origin in the action of the Sun.  It rises in the morning, sets at night, and then rises again the next morning.  Life-Death-Rebirth.  IAO.  Why you are so interested in confirming that Horus=Jesus is beyond me.  I mean, what does that prove?  What does that matter?  You won't get through to the religious crowd with that.  And the skeptic crowd, well, we prefer to make our own way of things.  Just a helpful tip for the holidays from yours truly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-death-rebirth_deity

Here's a website that buys into that whole "Illuminati/Horus" deal.  Hell, they have posts that say that Barbara Bush (mother of 'dubya') is the daughter of famed occultist Aleister Crowley.  LOL!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/


Edit:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1298426/pg1

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Any intelligent person can sort the nonsense from the sense.
Those who go down the occultist, devil, reptile (hehe) avenue are sadly losing the plot, but I can see how that can happen, minds are like dough and can be shaped very easily with information.

However I think some of it (not all) is propaganda to make those who oppose organised religions  seem nuts. I mean, how can they believe in the devil and not god?

My point is what I share about Horus, egyptian myth etc is because it becomes clear where the roots of the story of christiany came from. This isn't taught in schools or education estabilishement. Unless it's put infront of people they wont' find this very valuable information. Then they can come to their own conclusion. I am interested in your links and I'm sure to follow them up later when I have more time, as I find the subject fascinating.

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I find the subject fascinating.

Cool.  Here's another link.  This one can take YEARS to fully comprehend.

http://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap5.html

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I'll just add for anyone interested in the direction this thread has taken (sorry). Xmas day I turn the TV on for a change and a movie called 'The Man Who Would Be King' came on so I thought I'd watch it. Written by Rudyard Kipling.
What an incredible coincidence this story is so relevent to how a sun god can become a son of god as Shaun Connery character becomes just that in a province of Afhanistan. Also stars Michael Cane & Christopher plumer and would you believe The Eye of Horus.