Jesus was Caesarian the son of Cleopatra & Julius Caesar

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After doing extensive research for a year into Egyptian Mythology which has incredible parallels to Christianity. I was reading a totally unrelated book on Assasinations and read about Julius Caesar, it occured to me that the son he had with Cleopatra 'Caesarian' could infact be Jesus. This explains the Jesus Horus connection as Cleopatra considered herself and son to be the Mythological gods Isis and Horus. So Caesarian was considered a SUN GOD in Egyptian terms and a SUN OF GOD in Roman terms because he was the son of a Roman Emperor God.
Everything adds up, which makes christianity a mixuture of Egyptian Astrological Mythology and Historical Facts. He is still worshiped today by those who know the true history - Royalty, goverments, leaders, popes etc because it is worship of a leader who conquered the empire with Christianity. Making it the 'Holy' Roman Empire. Just look on the back of an American dollar bill, we see the symbolism for this Egyptian and Roman unity with the words 'In One God we trust' with a picture of the Eye of Horus, the Egyptian pyramid, the Falcon (horus/sun), along with Roman Latin text..  This represents the unity of two which is also what Caesarian/Jesus represented. There is nothing ambiguous about it, it all stacks up. even the birthday is acurate at BC/AD.. Jesus/Caesarian/Horus are one of the same. And why pagan traditions are still present in christianity, easter - festival of fertility why we have EGGS.. Xmas is the winter salstice etc etc etc....

What I'm interested in is what people think of this and will they ever come to accept it.. Can you imagine telling a Jew on the Gazza strip in Palestine that Jesus was the son of Cleapatra?

[S. Earl Martin]

In Jesus day a rumor was started that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier. That Mary was not a Virgin when Jesus was born. I also have seen the parallels between the Egyptian beliefs and Christian beliefs. Who Jesus was and what he looked like is not important. What he did is important. This is the reason Christianity still exsists to this day. Being willing to give your life to save someone else and be the servant of all mankind. To humble yourself unto death. To love others as you love yourself. He died as an example to the world as to what God would have us aspire to be. Peace!

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I see what you're saying about what Jesus represents, but come on, that goes against human nature, we want to live.. soliders buy into the idea of giving their life for the Queen or in more recent times US corporations. It only takes training/brainwashing. That isn't 'peace'.
Besides the Moari and Aboriginals & Cherokee people lived in peace without 'christianity' before 'christianity' was used as an excuse to invade countries and spread the word of god..

Do you think Jesus in his budhist syle teachings would approve of the sisteen chappel and all grandiose of gold and glitter of modern worship? It contradicts everything he stood for.

You was not around in Jesus day so how would you know that is true? There is also a theory that Mary is the statue of Liberty, the 1/2 siter & wife of Jesus/Caesarian her Egyptian name 'Celene' or more commonly known as 'Mary Magd elene'.. But I don't know that 'yet'..

What I know through facts is that Cleopatra thought of herself as Isis (who was a virgin mythical goddess - because her husband Osiris had been killed & cut up - this is why we have the Obelisk in every western state, because it represents Osiris penis.. So the birth of Horus was unto a virgin. It is mythical but was the religion of the time and it is true.
Also Cleopatra son was a miracle as she and Julius Caesar were the two most powerful people in the world. (Some speiclal child). Claim to both Egypt and the Roman Empire. We use the word 'Caesarean/ian' today to describe an immaculate birth process. This again is fact.

All roads lead to Rome, all reasearch leads to Jesus being Caesarian and Christianity being Egyptian Pagan astrological mythology. I've come to suspect the churces were build as pagan places of worship and history has been re-written to update the religion. Again there is much evidence on this. The green man in church architecture represents Osiris, the pagan sun crosses, the fact early churces were built on pagan sites, we're told to quash paganism but it seems it was to accellorate it, all that is christian is still pagan, from the 12 apostles being the star constellations ie Thomas = Twin the constellation Gemini, what the sun/son travels around with.. To the 4 gospels being the 4 mythical sons of Horus (the guardians) - (of the faith). The fact Horus did battle with Set for the skies, manifest in good v evil = god v devil = sun god v set god and we still say SUNSET.. I could go on and on..
What does it matter? it matters that people know, otherwise their entire life is an illusion, a delusion.

[S. Earl Martin]

Again it comes back to:
What you know
What you think you know
What you don't know and
What you can't know.
There is a lot in history that has changed over time. Not just concerning religion, but all events. Information was lost or has been rewritten to suite whoever is telling the story. Pagan or foreign customs have been adopted into the religions and societys. Was Jesus really the son of God? Was he a space alien? Did he preform miricles? Did he use advanced technology and knowledge? Questions like these and the ones you are posing are impossible to answer definitivly on this side or in this life. They are therories. Just like the big bang and other ideas. They make sense, but proving them is not possible.
Again I still believe that the ideas demonstrated in Jesus life are what is important. The example I have given before is this.
A person is walking down a road. They are carrying a heavy load. Three people are watching them. One person does nothing. Another one tries to trip the person. Another offers to help carry the load. Which one did the will of God?
Haveing knowledge is a good thing, but we must accept our limitations. At present we can not travel back in time to actually see past events. Possibly in the future this might be possible. For now we must focus on what we know as fact. Like many of the topics that I have seen debated here. This one can never be truly proven or disproven.

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And connection to psychology exactly is?
(it looks to me that this belongs more to some theological forum)

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Was Jesus really the son of God? Was he a space alien? Did he preform miricles? Did he use advanced technology and knowledge? Questions like these and the ones you are posing are impossible to answer definitivly on this side or in this life. They are therories. Just like the big bang and other ideas. They make sense, but proving them is not possible.

Those questions are ridiculous. I wouldn't ask such nonsense questions.

I proposed Jesus was Caesarian because there is evidence. It makes sense. As it makes sense the Counsil of Nicaea combined various christian beliefs, I belive one was of a mystical SUN GOD Jesus (as in horus - from his mother Cleopatra) and the other Christian belief was of a person SON OF GOD (from his Roman God father Julius Ceasar).. therefore the counsil of Nicaea came upon a decision to unite the various forms into one god. Which is why churches are pagan, with the green man, with the cross, with easter, xmas etc.. and why jesus is both a human person but with mystical properties. Because god - mary - jesus are osiris - isis - horus also julius ceasar - cleapatra - caesarian.. This is not a theory, this is fact... do some research..

And I posted here because I'm interested in the psycholgoy of when beliefs are challenged and the ignorant comments that usualy acompany such subjects. Like: you're from satan sent to test our faith in god.. (Setan was actually the god of darkness/evil - but christians aren't interested in facts)

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Actually the name Satan comes from a pagan cult in eastern europe. It was adopted by the theologians who were constructing the Bible. Also saying anyone group of people all believe a certain way is very ignorant. I happen to be a Christain and obviously by my statements from before I am interested in facts. More so than you.
Further I have been thinking about this. I can find no account of Caesarian being Jesus, but if you look at when Cleopatra lived and died it would be impossible for Caesarian to be Jesus because Jesus would have to be older than 33 when he died. The age of Jesus is well documented. So I would be interested in seeing your evidence.

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First let's take Satan.
SET was the Egyptian mythical god of darkness, night, evil = devil. He was also known as Setan.
Horus was the Egyptian mythical god of day, light, good = god. Each day Set did battle with Horus to conquer the skies, Horus the sun, Set the night we still say SUNSET.
See here for info on SET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28mythology%29

Yes, I said Christians aren't interested in facts, I appologise.

We already know horus/jesus are the same story. (fact)
Cleopatra thought of her son Ceasarian as Horus. (fact)
There is no 0 (zero) BC/AD dating and some years error.
Julius Caesar lived 100BC to 44BC..
Cleopatra lived 69 to 30BC
Ceasarian was born at the same time as Jesus.
With the recognised dating error of 30-45 years at the BC/AD dating, it's the same birth date as Christ.
The Julian calendar began in 45BC so you can at least get an angle on the confusion.
I can go on and on and on.. everything falls into place.. Any more queries just ask.

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I said the name Satan. Not the being. The name Satan was chosen when the Bible was being translated to english. I forget by who, I have done a Bible study on it before and I have seen documentaries about it on the History channel. Yes it has been debated as to weather the Judeao Christian calander starts with Jesus birth or death. I am aware of this also, but the problem here is I am asking for evidence and you are stating what I consider beliefs not facts. Even if a document was found claiming what you say is true. The authenticity of the document would still be in question. Your statements indicate a possibility. It is like the prophet Melchisedec. His name means King of Rightousness. Many scholars believe he might have been Jesus. The things said about him and how he was revered suggest he was very rightous, but we can not know weather he was Jesus or not. At least in this world. Or at this time. Even if you could somehow prove that Ceasarian and Jesus had the same birth day. You are discounting eyewitness testimony that He was born of Mary, in Bethlehem. Plus Horus and Jesus are similar stories. Actually we both could go on and on. As I have already stated it would be pointless. What you are stateing can not be proved.

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Satan in Hebrew ShTN (Shin Tau Nun). the meaning of Satan can be found in the meaning of the cryptographic  symbol/ letter/ numbers of the Hebrew language.

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You believe the bible was translated into English, would that be from Egyptian mythology, that would indeed be why Set became Satan.
Who knows in what year the bible was written or from what language translated, I wasn't around then, as far as I know it was written just before it went to print on the Guttenburge press.

Many people belive the majority of history is fabricated. You may have done bible study, people for some reason believe if they are taught something by a teacher, or by a book it must be true. Remember PEOPLE WRITE THESE BOOKS they don't just appear, a real person has sat down and wrote the words, then another person will edit them and another person will publish them. All PEOPLE manipulate that content. Just because it's in print doesn't mean it's true.

Yes if a document was found that said Caesarian was Jesus and Christianity is an amalgamation of his Sun God pagan diety Egyptian and his Son of God person Roman leader. As he was both Egyptian & Roman the authenticity would be questioned, by those who didn't want to belive it true. BUT we can collate all the evidence and apply COMMON SENSE..

If you are in America just look on the back of a $1 dollar bill. There is a picture of a pyramid with Roman Latin text. This is EVIDENCE of a recognised unity of Egyptian & Roman symbolism which is what Jesus/Caesarian was. Along with the words IN ONE GOD WE TRUST..

Is that not proof?
Is it not proof that The 1st Council of Niceae decided what Jesus & God should be?
Is it not proof that the pope wears the hat of the pagan fish god?
Is it not proof that the churches were built on pagan sites?
Is it not proof that jesus/horus connection and the caesarian/horus connection?

I remember my first encounter with something of this nature and scoffed..  It's really hard to your head around it, but when you do it's the most incredible journey you'll ever have, it's quite something...
I read something recently: "Take a good Wiff ... sniff... sniff... you smell that? Thats what you have been eating for many years. Here Try? some fresh Vege's and clean water to follow, it might taste bad at first but it's better than walking on water and raising dead people. Remember you? do not swallow government medicine its a suppository!"

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Re; Set/satan/setan/seth weather in hebrew or egyptian or greek (which is where we get most our UK language). The point is Horus/jesus represented the day the light the good. Set represented the night, the dark, the evil. They did battle each day to conquer the skies. GOOD V EVIL we say SUNSET when we can see both horus the sun and set the night. This is the origins of the DEVIL OR SATAN myth..

[S. Earl Martin]

Actually the Tora was handed down as an oral tradition for between 300 -400 years. Possibly more. This could be why some of the stories are similar to Sumarian stories. When the Isrealites were in Babylon they learned to write. Before that they used cryptographs or symbols. Similar to hyroglyphs. The first known tranlation of the Bible into english was the Gutenbreg Bible.

Further some of your statements make no sense to me. I did not say that what you are proposeing is not possible. I said it is not provable. What you consider proof I consider to be evidence of something that is only possible.

Is that not proof?
Is it not proof that The 1st Council of Niceae decided what Jesus & God should be?
Is it not proof that the pope wears the hat of the pagan fish god?
Is it not proof that the churches were built on pagan sites?
Is it not proof that jesus/horus connection and the caesarian/horus connection?
I say this is not proof just a possibility. My opinion.

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As Cleopatra was Greek but learned Egyptian. The translation/language may not be that estranged.

Yes it's possible, I would say highly probable :-)

I shall leave it at that, but encourage further research as it's incredibly interesting and hope people derive many pleasure from the experience. And if you're a church goer just notice the pagan symbols on your next vist. And try to understand why!

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Finally I forgot about this.

Following my discoveries, I discovered this:

Most of which is what I reckoned some things I'm not sure, so I'm not saying this is fact, but can be used in research..

Also I have to wonder about Mark Anthony's & Octavians alience in THE CAESARIAN PARTY (could they have been in support of Caesarian leadership?)

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Q: How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?
A: calm down baby and have a piece of cheese....

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pixx it seems you fall foul to my pray. after reading all that your best effort is to call me names? your comment is most ignorant. I am only expressing knowledge and research into a subject.
As the good old voodoo would say (status)

Your comment did not contribute anything new to the subject.
Your comment is stupid and so are you.

But as this is a psychology forum I will just add, pixx 'ignorant' comment demonstates how poweful beliefs are, and when challenged people take it as a person insult on their character and defend it by immature means of 'name calling' 'blame' even voilence..

(and where is voodoo by the way?)!

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RE: translation

the old testament is the english translation of the hebrew Torah.

The torah in hebrew is how the bible was intially written. this can be evidenced by the complex arrangements of the symbol /letter /numbers in the torah

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Would that be the Torah that was created prior to the creation of the world, and that it was used as the blueprint for Creation.

Don't you think it mighty strange there is an Old Testement and a New Testement just like there is an Old Kingdom and a New Kingdom (in ancient Egyptian history). Just another coincidence eh!

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pixx flammable not is

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not strange no. the new testament was written in Greek. the Romans who created Catholicism brought the old and new together.

the myth of the book of creation is the Pentateuch which are the first books of the Torah. it was not written before creation but explains creation. if you would like to research this read Carlo Suarez. genesis and the cube of space.

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"The cube of space" the very words intice me.
As does the idea of a book written before the world existed.
:-) I have concieved a character who collected holes, but I could never cunjour up the idea of a book being written before the world existed :-)
But for now I'm most interested in the language.
Amen (I of course refer to the Egyptian God - Amen) which signifies the "hidden" which is usually given to his name, we must conclude that he was the personification of the hidden and unknown creative power. And what is that hidden & creative power in Christianity? well we know don't we..

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the book wasnt written before the world existed at least thats not how the myth goes.  the letters of the book are the elements of creation. each element of creation has a corresponding letter/ symbol/ number. the book of creation Genesis (the hebrew version) is a map or symbolic representation of the process of creation through the combination of the various elements.

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and of course the hebrews came out of egypt as told in the story of moses and the emancipation of the slaves from egypt. it is highly likely that the author of the original book (whether that was moses or not) had knowledge of the egyptian gods and their arts (white and dark) and their sciences

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bbc 4 at 2100 gmt tonight making of the king james bible. king james version is the old translation that has the thee, thy and the thou in it. history lesson for those interested.

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O and what do you know I'm just in time to tune in. Maybe we can compare notes later, but I'm guessing we'll both see something completely different in the program. ;-)

I'm just looking at some old Stave churches 11-12 century and they are totally pagan, with green men and dragons and animals, I do wonder when chrisitanity was 'invented'.. the subject is most interesting though.

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That was quite interesting. Kind of arrogant but it just confirmed my theory of harmony in opposites, as I said above Christianity is a union of pagan sun god and roman son of god, the King James bible is a union of majestic grandiose and puritan simplicity. (yin & yang if you like)

I work with words a lot and I love language and the way words are arranged for dramatic effect was also the point made. I wonder did you notice the masonic floor and the green men? :-)

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as I said above Christianity is a union of pagan sun god and roman son of god, the King James bible is a union of majestic grandiose and puritan simplicity. (yin & yang if you like)

The anthropological view is of no comfort to those whom indulge.  Such vain philosophies are best left to your own notebooks and journals.  It is, as they say, "fuel to the fire."

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all the mysteries and religions are formed around similar concepts and all pointing to the same things. a bit like psychology all the models and approaches are all paths to the internal world that is not as objective as say as physics or chemistry. these models are formulated over time and in different cultures. there are bound to be cross over and recycling of concepts and terminology.

christianity in its earliest forms were the followers of christs direct teachings much of it was gnostic. in direct communion with spirit and it was only later on that catholicism hijacked the original christian teachings and appeneded them to the jewish tradition.

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Pert that wasn't my view, it was on the telly. A Program called "The Making of the King James Bible" but has the same principles of unity in the opposing.

Yes it's true, like all roads lead to Rome, all research leads to the religions being similar. From budhist style teachings to pagan carvings.

And Pert, if people like me didn't exist, there would never be challenges to traditions. Black people would still be Slaves in the Deep South (Harper Lee challenged that), people are currently challenging their governemnt in the middle east, if they didn't they'd still be under dictatorship and repressive regimes. Humanity needs people like me :-)