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« on: August 27, 2009, 08:06:30 AM »
Hi, I am newly vegetarian, so far have been for 2 and half weeks. I was just curious to see how many psychology addicts (not the best word, sorry) are vegan, vegetarian or so on. I am a Lacto-ovo vegetarian and have questions, I have been doing research and such things. I also have this questions, why do my parents call me fat, then call me skinny? I am athletic built, I look like a gymnastics professional, with maybe a little baby gut, but it doesn't stick out like a beer gut. . . parent's are strange people and then they get mad at you when you change your diet even though you told them in advance....? I think I'm getting off topic....sorry....Anything I should know about my newly vegetarian lifestyle? Thanks for the help.
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 07:44:16 AM »
I am a lactovegetarian. I have been practising this for the past few months(nearly all the times!) ;) Welcome to the forum. I am not a psychology addict but, I am keen on psychology ;)

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2009, 02:08:39 PM »
Being vegetarian is unnatural and, unless managed by a dietitian, probably dangerous to your health. You evolved with the ability to digest meat for a reason and gain nothing from pretending to be a herbivore.

Depending on your gender, it's an easy card to play with the dames or a great way to appeal to the 'purity' ideal, but it's pointless and potentially dangerous. Stop playing Russian roulette with your health because you want to rebel against your parents' comment on your weight. It's much healthier and beneficial to learn to not be affected by the comments.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 06:35:41 PM »
Vegetarianism is no way healthy, I don't know where this comes from. Your body adapted to centuries of absorbing proteins and fats from meat.

Women need fat to produce estrogen and men need the proteins in meat to produce testosterone.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 01:14:43 AM »
I'm female
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2009, 12:59:26 PM »
Here's something you should know about your newly vegetarian lifestyle regardless of your gender: it's a direct response to your parents' attempts to control your weight and level of fitness. Decide if this is really the best way to deal with that, or if this will just exacerbate the existing conflict.
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2009, 04:48:16 PM »
honestly don't care what my parents said. To me it doesn't matter, I was just making a comment parents are odd people...but truthfully don't care......that sounds bad lol but I'm a goody two shoes anyway lol
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2009, 05:06:00 PM »
Actually, plants are much more helpless than animals.

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 12:12:13 PM »
honestly don't care what my parents said. To me it doesn't matter, I was just making a comment parents are odd people...but truthfully don't care......that sounds bad lol but I'm a goody two shoes anyway lol

Yeah, you're probably right, you're some kind of psychological freak who, unlike every human being ever, doesn't care what their parents say.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2009, 11:58:13 PM »
All I understood was "Psychological Freak"....What does that even mean?
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 04:44:23 AM »
All I understood was "Psychological Freak"....What does that even mean?

Do you know that it is best to ignore comments at times? Ignorance is bliss.


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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 04:54:56 AM »
Vegetarianism is no way healthy, I don't know where this comes from. Your body adapted to centuries of absorbing proteins and fats from meat.

Women need fat to produce estrogen and men need the proteins in meat to produce testosterone.

Do what you think is right. There are many nutrition experts who stress on veges and fruits as main diets. Many celebs follow that lifestyle. If you know and understand basic biology, you would know the difference between killing animals and using plants for your diet. There is scientific evidence with regards to this. In a general sense, is there anyone who is merely eating meat with no veges? So, why not stop being cruel to helpless plants?(as karaten posted ::)).

Being a vegetarian does not mean that you would not have enough fats and protein for your essential body needs including the relevant hormones. It is simply a matter of choosing a balanced diet for proper nutritions. If you join any vege forums, you would learn more about the health benefits of being a vegetarian. I guess that you have some inkling, hence, the reason for your choice ;) of being a vegetarian.


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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 05:16:54 AM »
Humans did not evolve to be plant eaters. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 05:20:29 AM »
With regards to your parents and their comments, do not take it to heart. If you have an athletic build and your BMI and health is OK, do not worry about it. Your  build might be confusing them, I do not know ???.

You have to make the right decisions. Contrary to what milk said, there are people who are not affected by parents' sayings. They are all sorts of parents in this world, including ones who commit serious crimes against children. I think that you know that as well. Some people are not affected by what their parents say due to certain reasons.

Do what is right for you. What you want to do for your own good. Join vegetarian forums for better knowledge and exchange of ideas and recipes. Soy is a rich source of protein. Milk is another source. Take milk, soy, green vegetables, fruits(all colors), legumes, etc as part of a normal vege diet. Take various colors of vege(red, green or whatsover). Since you are a teenager who does gym workouts, drinking milk, eating soy and legumes would help as rich sources of protein. As it is, you take eggs and egg products, so have less to worry about your balanced diet... :P

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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 05:24:00 AM »
Humans did not evolve to be plant eaters. 

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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2009, 04:57:07 PM »

Do what you think is right.
If I justify rape, does that make it okay to do?

Of course not.

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There are many nutrition experts who stress on veges and fruits as main diets.
More vegetables than meat, yes, but you still need meat according to the real ones. The rest are just idiots who were published.

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Many celebs follow that lifestyle.
Celebrities are the epitome of unhealthy, brandishing a lifestyle of anorexia and drugs. In face, the standard to be one is usually to be grossly overweight, do to the fact that cameras add weight to you, thus meaning that they need to be 80 pounds in order to look 90, and no, unlike what some vegetarians will tell you, it is not true that the skinnier you are, the healthier.

 
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If you know and understand basic biology
I certainly do.

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you would know the difference between killing animals and using plants for your diet.
It was a joke, calm down. Though plants are living, and scientific evidence suggests this.

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In a general sense, is there anyone who is merely eating meat with no veges? So, why not stop being cruel to helpless plants?(as karaten posted ::)).
They certainly do. You think of red meats when you say this, but actually, there were entire civilizations of people who lived on meat. As long as you don't eat the specifically bad parts, and avoid the red meat, and supplement the vitamins, it would be the same thing as vegatarianism, except you would be getting necessary fats too. Not that I would suggest it. It, like vegatarianism, just isn't a healthy lifestyle. Vitamins don't work as well as plants themselves.
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Being a vegetarian does not mean that you would not have enough fats and protein for your essential body needs including the relevant hormones. It is simply a matter of choosing a balanced diet for proper nutritions. If you join any vege forums, you would learn more about the health benefits of being a vegetarian. I guess that you have some inkling, hence, the reason for your choice ;) of being a vegetarian.

Yes, I'm sure those sources aren't biased. A balanced diet without meat is a conflicting statement.

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2009, 04:58:05 PM »
Humans did not evolve to be plant eaters. 

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Those nasty biologists and their evolutionary facts. In actuality, God gave us organs and teeth that have no sole function whatsoever.

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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2009, 03:56:04 PM »
Humans did not evolve to be plant eaters. 

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You should ignore evolutionary facts because there are a lot of celebrities who think vegetarianism is totally cool.
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2009, 07:11:29 PM »
Humans did not evolve to be plant eaters.  

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You should ignore evolutionary facts because there are a lot of celebrities who think vegetarianism is totally cool.

Hey, celebrities are the smartest and greatest of all people. We must follow blindly their teachings.


Oh, may I suggest drug abuse? It worked well for that Olsen twin.


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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2009, 05:08:34 AM »
I've been vegetarian for about 5 years now. I feel like if I were ever to eat meat again (which is both doubtful and undesirable) I would have to kill the animal myself.

Though animal life is vampiric in general, and we have to feed off other life to sustain our own, I feel that it is very rarely considered the true nature of the act of consuming an animal. The animal you are eating gave its life to sustain your own. You are absorbing its life force. Its life is extinguished so yours can continue. This is undeniable, and quite a serious implication.
I feel that if you make the decision to destroy another life so that you may remain living, it is your responsibility to take that life. So you can understand and respect the sacrifice that is being made.

I believe that if eating meat is a result of our "evolution", than vegetarianism could very well be natural selection. Though it could easily be argued that we have de-evolved, or simply remained evolutionary stagnant due to massive domestication of humanity...

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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2009, 12:19:48 PM »
Humans did not evolve to be plant eaters.  

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Those nasty biologists and their evolutionary facts. In actuality, God gave us organs and teeth that have no sole function whatsoever.

What are those evolutionary facts as you call them? Perhaps, you can list them. "A little knowledge is dangerous". BTW, what has rape got to do with advising someone to do what is right? Don 't you use YOUR BRAINS(if you have them, I am beginning to wonder?) to do what is right. Utterly stupid comments from Karaten and voodoo, the genuises on ALL matters... ..it is like reading nonsense from people who are clearly not knowledgeable enough with no depth for thinking
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2009, 12:28:55 PM »
 From what I gathered based on Veggieteen 's post and answers, she is trying out a vegetarian lifestyle and wanted help pertaining to THAT. Some 'jokers' simply have to be oversmart as if they have Published International Scientific Works on Vegetarianism, etc(God only knows what their true accomplishments in life are?) and make such 'oversmart' comments about the decision to be a vegetarian. I cannot understand such stupidity and nastiness...

PS- Read more about evolution(started out from primates, those are vege eating animals in case you did not know?), etc. If evolution is based on 'someone eating meat along the way', it is indeed subjective to say that evolution makes it compulsory that we eat meat. There is a lot of research in these areas(meaning evolution) that needs to be done, partly due to lack of objective evidence. Lol. What am I doing wasting my precious time and energy?
PSS- My comment on celebrities was merely an example. I did not mention that they are right all the time. It is merely to imply that those people (who have lots of money) can hire the best nutrition experts or whatsover for advice on their diets. Use you brains and you will understand my meaning.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2009, 03:57:47 PM »
it is like reading nonsense from people who are clearly not knowledgeable enough with no depth for thinking

Pot calling the kettle black.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2009, 08:04:04 PM »
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What are those evolutionary facts as you call them? Perhaps, you can list them.

The makeup of our teeth is highly evident to show that we in fact consume meat.
Humans oral makeup gives representation of our omnivorous habits.

Common Carnivore Mouth


Human Mouth


Chimpanzee Mouth



Common Herbivore Mouth

Notice, both carnivores and herbivores have a rather uniform tooth makeup, in which every tooth is ideally the same. This is because the animals teeth serve in a specific use, for carnivores, ripping flesh, and for herbivores, grinding food.

Omnivores like us, however, have a high variation in our mouths, to serve functions of both grinding and ripping. This then makes it highly evident that we are, in fact, meant to eat meat along with plants.


This is the besides the fact that we have the ability to do so, while herbivores don't. We have the inclination to do so, while herbivores don't. We did it naturally, while herbivores don't. 




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"A little knowledge is dangerous". BTW, what has rape got to do with advising someone to do what is right? Don 't you use YOUR BRAINS(if you have them, I am beginning to wonder?) to do what is right. Utterly stupid comments from Karaten and voodoo, the genuises on ALL matters... ..it is like reading nonsense from people who are clearly not knowledgeable enough with no depth for thinking
Argumentum ad hominem

Rape has to do with it because you told the person to do whatever they think is right, and it's been shown that disordered people can in fact have such thinking.


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PS- Read more about evolution(started out from primates, those are vege eating animals in case you did not know?),
That's incorrect, our closest living relative, the chimpanzee, enjoys a steady diet of plants and meat, including other primates.

That's because they are omnivorous. That's right, believe it or not, despite what some vegetarians tell you, humans are not the only animals who partake on both plants and meats.

I also want you to note, the main reason we eat meat is because of eventual need to, and after a long history of doing so, we developed the inclination to on a much higher scale than our monkey relatives.


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etc. If evolution is based on 'someone eating meat along the way', it is indeed subjective to say that evolution makes it compulsory that we eat meat. There is a lot of research in these areas(meaning evolution) that needs to be done, partly due to lack of objective evidence. Lol. What am I doing wasting my precious time and energy?

Our closest relative is omnivorous, and for the reasons above, we don't need to do much more research to know that we eat meat.
 
I also want you to note that the food chain never contains a herbivore on top, because they're walking meals for carnivores, thus, animals would be really bad off to evolve to become herbivores.




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PSS- My comment on celebrities was merely an example. I did not mention that they are right all the time. It is merely to imply that those people (who have lots of money) can hire the best nutrition experts or whatsover for advice on their diets. Use you brains and you will understand my meaning.

And you think they do it because it's "good for you"? I suppose severe anorexia and frequent drug use are good ideas as well.

I don't see how one could do something without using their brain, could you clarify your point a little better?


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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2009, 02:25:44 AM »
I've been vegetarian for about 5 years now. I feel like if I were ever to eat meat again (which is both doubtful and undesirable) I would have to kill the animal myself.

Though animal life is vampiric in general, and we have to feed off other life to sustain our own, I feel that it is very rarely considered the true nature of the act of consuming an animal. The animal you are eating gave its life to sustain your own. You are absorbing its life force. Its life is extinguished so yours can continue. This is undeniable, and quite a serious implication.
I feel that if you make the decision to destroy another life so that you may remain living, it is your responsibility to take that life. So you can understand and respect the sacrifice that is being made.

I believe that if eating meat is a result of our "evolution", than vegetarianism could very well be natural selection. Though it could easily be argued that we have de-evolved, or simply remained evolutionary stagnant due to massive domestication of humanity...
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2009, 04:18:55 AM »
I've been vegetarian for about 5 years now. I feel like if I were ever to eat meat again (which is both doubtful and undesirable) I would have to kill the animal myself.

Though animal life is vampiric in general, and we have to feed off other life to sustain our own, I feel that it is very rarely considered the true nature of the act of consuming an animal. The animal you are eating gave its life to sustain your own. You are absorbing its life force. Its life is extinguished so yours can continue. This is undeniable, and quite a serious implication.
I feel that if you make the decision to destroy another life so that you may remain living, it is your responsibility to take that life. So you can understand and respect the sacrifice that is being made.

I believe that if eating meat is a result of our "evolution", than vegetarianism could very well be natural selection. Though it could easily be argued that we have de-evolved, or simply remained evolutionary stagnant due to massive domestication of humanity...
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Firstly, if you choose not to eat meat, that's not natural selection.

Secondly, I don't see why nature would select for something that forcibly restricts it's options in food.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2009, 05:15:38 AM »
I've been vegetarian for about 5 years now. I feel like if I were ever to eat meat again (which is both doubtful and undesirable) I would have to kill the animal myself.

Though animal life is vampiric in general, and we have to feed off other life to sustain our own, I feel that it is very rarely considered the true nature of the act of consuming an animal. The animal you are eating gave its life to sustain your own. You are absorbing its life force. Its life is extinguished so yours can continue. This is undeniable, and quite a serious implication.
I feel that if you make the decision to destroy another life so that you may remain living, it is your responsibility to take that life. So you can understand and respect the sacrifice that is being made.

I believe that if eating meat is a result of our "evolution", than vegetarianism could very well be natural selection. Though it could easily be argued that we have de-evolved, or simply remained evolutionary stagnant due to massive domestication of humanity...
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Firstly, if you choose not to eat meat, that's not natural selection.

Secondly, I don't see why nature would select for something that forcibly restricts it's options in food.

While I love that you make two points about one sentence in two paragraphs of philosophy... I have decided to humor you.
My comment about natural selection has the same value as calling the eating of meat a result of evolution. I would say that its adaptation at best. The human race has developed into a parasite on the planet. The rejection of meat is evolution, because it is a way to maintain our habitat (the earth) as well as keep ourselves healthy. Not to mention, a good vegetarian diet will generally result in much better health than a good diet involving meat. Meat is essentially a lazy way to eat nutritionally. It has a lot of the nutrition we need in one source, as well as a lot of harmful things as well. Cutting out meat, and getting our nutrition through other means cuts out all the nasty things in meat that harm our body.
vegetarianism often results as a result of deeper thought and feeling.. while eating meat is is rarely respected for what it is.

I am not against the eating of meat, i am against the meat industry. Not just the battery farms... but the entire meat industry, including free range farms. If you are going to extinguish another life to sustain your own, then i feel it is your responsibility to take that life yourself. So you respect the sacrifice being made.

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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2009, 07:41:45 AM »


While I love that you make two points about one sentence in two paragraphs of philosophy... I have decided to humor you.

I apologize, it seemed that was the part relevant to my post.


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My comment about natural selection has the same value as calling the eating of meat a result of evolution.
No, I've shown how it's not natural selection.

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I would say that its adaptation at best.
That's exactly how evolution and natural selection works. Species adapts, those who can't die off.

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The human race has developed into a parasite on the planet.
Perhaps so, though that's more related to extreme waste and not so much eating meat.

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The rejection of meat is evolution, because it is a way to maintain our habitat (the earth)
Actually, plants are what we need to keep alive, not meat. Their uses outnumber animals' uses.


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as well as keep ourselves healthy.
Not all meat is unhealthy, and usually the meats associated with these health arguments are red meats and fried meats.

Here's something to snack on, after all, it is a vegetable.




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Not to mention, a good vegetarian diet will generally result in much better health than a good diet involving meat.
I've never seen evidence of that. Once again, this is with the assumption that meat is defined as red and fried meats.

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Meat is essentially a lazy way to eat nutritionally. It has a lot of the nutrition we need in one source, as well as a lot of harmful things as well.
See above.


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Cutting out meat, and getting our nutrition through other means cuts out all the nasty things in meat that harm our body.
Evolution will work to cut out our ability to eat meat. Evolution removes useless traits, such as our ability to eat meat. This then limits our eating potential, which is why natural selection would favor one who has the broadest range of food options, so that in case of a time of rationed food, they will have an easier time adapting, as well as a higher chance of living.

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vegetarianism often results as a result of deeper thought and feeling.. while eating meat is is rarely respected for what it is.

I quite frankly don't care about that at all. Saying something takes "deeper thought and feeling" is not reason enough to me to ignore all the faults with it.

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I am not against the eating of meat,
That's not the argument you've been making.

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i am against the meat industry.
That's fine I suppose. They don't need to be as cruel to animals as they are.

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Not just the battery farms... but the entire meat industry, including free range farms. If you are going to extinguish another life to sustain your own, then i feel it is your responsibility to take that life yourself. So you respect the sacrifice being made.

It's not sacrifice, sacrifice is made through the will of the thing sacrificing, this is just plain killing. Please don't confuse the two.


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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2009, 06:08:04 PM »
humans cannot sustain themselves on raw meat. we can eat a certain amount of meat that is not cooked, but if we have a diet of raw meat there will be serious health implications  humans have only been able to include meat as a main source of nutrition since we were able to create and control fire and thus were able to cook the meat.  i know there is a source for this information but after a quick scan of a google search the only info i was finding was related to parasites and bacteria however there is something to do with how we digest and process food in the gut which means that we cannot obtain a nutritional sustenance from raw meat. if necessary i willl do an academic search for some articles. (if any body is interested)

i am not going to make any conclusions about what that might mean for the biology/evolution debate but i thought it was worth mentioning.
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2009, 04:57:33 AM »
it is like reading nonsense from people who are clearly not knowledgeable enough with no depth for thinking

Pot calling the kettle black.

Indeed, what have you achieved in your life internationally or otherwise whereby people actually termed you as intelligent? Self-praise is no praise which you definitely seem good at. Did your boss classify you as highly intelligent? I think not. Based on your posts, I can conclude that you lack REAL ACHIEVEMENTS in your career or otherwise.There is some subtle difference between a truly learned person and high achiever compared to those who self-proclaim. BTW, I have been classified as highly intelligent by people who are classified as 'high profile' people(I am not going into details with imbeciles like you. I will be wasting precious energy and time talking to an idiot). Perhaps, you should cut down on the marijuana...it is making you too high...
PS- I really laughed when you called me "stupid" or something similiar to that in the "marijuana thread".That was a good joke for me considering all the COMPLIMENTS/RECOGNITION I have received with regards to my intelligence and my achievements. If I am being arrogant now, it is because I am tired of tolerating nastiness and stupidity....
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