Author Topic: Pert's Axioms, Analogies, and Aphorisms (Read 1604 times)

pert -5 · « **on:** July 27, 2011, 01:41:39 PM »

Welcome to the series premier of a brand new and phacinating thread called Pert's Axioms, Analogies, and Aphorisms... though if anyone other than Pert wishes to participate I fervently encourage it.

Today I will be sharing the analogy of the projector, the screen, and the image projected onto the screen. The screen is our world; the physical manifestation of the energies accrued in a manner that our senses translate into the corporeal entity called Earth. The projector is our brain and the image projected onto the screen (Earth, in this case) is our conscious awareness via an Ego. See http://psychology-forum.com/off-topic/pert%27s-words/ . OK, can anyone guess where I'm going to go with this analogy? I'm offering a grand prize of $0.05 USD to anyone who can guess it. Hint: it involves the projector no longer working.

Stay tuned for part 2!

(Prize must be redeemed before the online presentation of part 2. Rules subject to change at any place and any time. The author of this series does not assume any responsibility for any sum of the prize money which is lost or stolen in transit to the recipient.)

SWM · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:08:53 PM »

when the projector stops working all the lights come back on and angelic presence of a lady with a torch comes around stops folks from groping their dates and tries to flog everyone ice cream.

how far we can push the boundaries of an analogy.

pert -5 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:45:11 AM »

Ice cream? Everyone knows it's pudding! Amateur...

Today's aphorism: The only constant in life is change. (Think about it.)

So when the projector stops working then the projection too ceases. Is there the possibility that the image can remain on the screen after the projector can no longer function? Nope. So just sit back and enjoy the movie while it's on. There's no encore. And knowing this, just think of the utility afforded when one recognizes that there is no subsequent race to attend after the extirpation of the capabilities of the brain and body. With the pall of death lifted, there comes a shift in perspective which is wholly fruitful toward the evolution of one's consciousness.

What kind of shenanigans will we get into next episode? Stay tuned.

SWM · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2011, 05:01:51 AM »

I remembered what she sells it is not pudding or ice cream. it is a film guide. in your analogy you seem to forget that you were sat in a theatre and when the projector stops working you are still sat in a theatre.

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:22:55 PM »

What about re runs? Or a double feature? Or when the light is on, but no one is home? You see in my perspective. When the movie ends I leave the theater and go to a different theater. Where all my friends and family are waiting for me. Where the movie never ends. LOL!

pert -5 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2011, 03:16:02 PM »

@SWM
Well, to be fair to myself, as I am wont to do, I never included the concept of theater in the analogy. Perhaps we can say that the theater AND screen are the external world (which would include the projector), and that the screen represents the aspect of the world of which each individual is aware of; i.e. our limited comprehension and familiarity of the vast place we inhabit.

@Earl
That is an excellent analogy Earl. Obviously I don't agree with it (

), but it is certainly on par with anything I'll ever come up with for this thread. And no, I'm not just arbitrarily doling out praise because you're my friend. I really love that analogy man. Thanks for sharing it.

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:25:09 PM »

No problem. I like how creative you are. You come up with things that really make me stop and think. That's a good thing. Especially in this world were so many things are computer generated copies of the same old stuff with very little original content. Thanks Earl

SWM · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2011, 10:57:40 AM »

Quote from: pert -5 on July 28, 2011, 03:16:02 PM

@SWM
Well, to be fair to myself, as I am wont to do, I never included the concept of theater in the analogy. Perhaps we can say that the theater AND screen are the external world (which would include the projector), and that the screen represents the aspect of the world of which each individual is aware of; i.e. our limited comprehension and familiarity of the vast place we inhabit.

Maybe you are so absorbed in the movie that you do not realize you are sat in a theatre.

That is quite common for people who are enthralled by their own projections.

. If we say that the theatre is also the world of awareness. what about when the film ends and we go back out into the dazzling bright daylight?

pert -5 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2011, 03:27:38 PM »

Welcome back folks. A (former) friend of mine sent me a youtube link this morning to Lady Gaga's song "Born This Way." Let me just say, and this is for the record, that I would rather be sodomized with my own spinal cord than ever ever ever have to hear that crap again. And I only listened to the first 20 seconds. Christ, look at the Wiki article for it, it's long as shit. Charles Darwin doesn't have a Wiki page this big. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_This_Way_%28song%29

Anyways, today we have a analogy. For those of you unfamiliar with the terms Brahman and Atman, I will enlighten you after our feature.

The Ego is like a balloon, and Brahman is the Air, and the Atman is the Air within the balloon. Once the balloon is popped, the Air that was within the balloon is recognized as One with the Air that was outside of the balloon; as it had always been. The balloon was the only thing which spoke differently.

Brahman. Brahman is not a deity or God and is not to be worshiped as such. Brahman is simply the sum of existence. The Kabbalistically minded could call it Kether. Science minded people would call it the Big Bang, and, subsequently, its resultant. It's all good. I am aware that in Hinduism Brahman is often looked to as a deity deserving worship. I'm telling you now, that is NOT what I mean. In fact, if you still think that that is what I mean, then I am just going to flat out call you a moron and ignore you. NO RELIGION WHATSOEVER IS INVOLVED IN MY CONCEPT OF BRAHMAN THAT I AM PAINTING IN THIS POST. And yes, I held the Shift key for that instead of using Caps Lock. I'm that fucking crazy.

Atman. The Atman, as the analogy above aptly describes, is that portion of Brahman which the Ego claims as its own. Soul could pass as a very similar concept. It's not really a soul, in fact such words carry the weight of a thousand ignorant charlatans who use it to sell their books, so I will henceforth retire ever using that word in this post again. In a nutshell, the Atman is a part of Brahman which has been partitioned by the Ego for its own agenda. Much like a hard drive is partitioned on a computer. Yeah, there can be several partitions, but they are all the same drive. God, another analogy crept out there. I'm going to have to invent an anti-analogy spray or we'll all be doomed.

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2011, 03:48:11 PM »

I like analogies. They make things clearer at least for me. I understand your concepts. It is a way of defining our place in reality. So do you believe that when we die our life energy, like the air? Return to the life stream? To be recycled into other life forms? If the air returns to the air?

pert -5 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2011, 04:10:41 PM »

Yes, I do. But I do wish to state that to grasp what I'm saying in this, one must remove the religious and holy notions from the concept, and think of it more along the lines of the Conservation of Energy and Momentum physical laws. I saw in one of your recent posts Earl that you used the term Karma, that's what prompted this. To me Karma is not some system of divine retribution, but rather is conterminous with the Law of Inertia. The Energy (from the Conservation of Energy above) is the material to be moved, the matter as it were --Energy is the noun--, and the Karma moves it --Karma is the verb--. The word Karma comes from the Sanskrit word Kri, which means "to do", and is analogous to work. In other words, the common conception of Karma isn't wrong, it is just incomplete. The Ancient Hindus who wrote the Vedas were on to something. Modern physics and psychology (et al) are just fine tuning the concepts.

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2011, 10:29:56 PM »

Yes I see karma as likened to planting seeds. If I plant a plant that produces tomatoes for instance. I will have tomatoes to eat, but if I plant a seed that produces a poison fruit. I will have poison to eat. As you sow so shall you reap. Even without the religious context this still holds true.

pert -5 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2011, 11:20:47 PM »

Quote from: S. Earl Martin on August 01, 2011, 10:29:56 PM

Yes I see karma as likened to planting seeds. If I plant a plant that produces tomatoes for instance. I will have tomatoes to eat, but if I plant a seed that produces a poison fruit. I will have poison to eat. As you sow so shall you reap. Even without the religious context this still holds true.

Yes, and it holds for those that have the religious bent and those who don't. There is a dichotomy rent between those of a worshipful bent and those not. I want to tear down that wall, as Roger Waters described it so eloquently, and have everyone building from the same foundation. The Atheists and the Theists. Atheism is a process, not an understanding. Paddle onward!

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2011, 02:06:58 AM »

Love your neighbor as you love yourself. It doesn't say those you agree with. Or those who practice the same religion. It says everyone. This is true worship.

pert -5 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2011, 07:39:15 AM »

Quote from: S. Earl Martin on August 02, 2011, 02:06:58 AM

Love your neighbor as you love yourself. It doesn't say those you agree with. Or those who practice the same religion. It says everyone. This is true worship.

Amen Brother Earl! (The capitalized letters of that sentence spell out ABE, which is short for Abraham. Coincidence? You be the judge.) The words ascribed to Jesus, whether one believes the Bible or not, are wise beyond measure. The difference is marked between those who follow them because they are told to and those that follow them because those words have touched their inspiration and their very hearts. A parrot can repeat words, that doesn't mean that it knows the meaning of such words. You, my friend Earl, I certainly do not regard as a parrot.

Blessed be you my Brother and my friend.

Namaste

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2011, 01:23:44 PM »

Thank You. I have long debated the difference of knowing "of" God or Jesus and knowing God or Jesus. Religion can be like the cloths we wear. We change them with the time and place. Or it can be like your body. Something that shows alot about how you live and your true mannerisms. When Jesus said that the Kingdom of Heaven was near. He not only was refering to Himself. but also that the Kingdom is with in us. It is if we choose to seek it. I believe when the dead rise to life. That many will be suprised at who is accepted by God. And who didn't really know God. That they were really working for evil and selfishness. The difference is knowing the words and liveing the words. Namaste and Good fortune.

pert -5 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2011, 01:14:01 AM »

I would like to present the analogy of a car and driver. Our egos are the car, and most people identify themselves with that car. But through spiritual progression (be that via Yoga, entheogens, applied psychology, etc.) one can actually peer inside of the car and see the driver; i.e., realize that the Ego is merely a vessel for the true Self, the Atman. The Ego is very important, it is our means of interacting with the world. It is the goal to see through the illusion of the Ego and see that it is not the sum of our being, but merely a tool. See the Ego for what it is, our impermanent vessel. Perspective, again, is the key. Perspective.

Atman. Atman is described above.
http://psychology-forum.com/off-topic/pert%27s-axioms-analogies-and-aphorisms/msg16063/#msg16063

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2011, 01:59:15 PM »

I agree. Especially in this material world. Where so many people rate themselves and others by what they own and the occupation they have. They ignore the inner person and the true spiritual side. Focusing only on the here and now and things. Look at all the wealthy and famous people who worked so hard to achieve fame and fortune. Then killed themselves or did something to destroy all they had accomplished. In my life I have known a lot of wealthy people and most of them were really trapped. They had to focus all their time and attention on their money. IF they tried to relax? Their wealth would start slipping away. So they had to devote all their time and attention to protecting it and makeing it grow. The ones who suffered the most where their kids. They had everything but love. They had nannies or boarding school. Toys and games. Cars and atv's. They never saw their parent's or had any structure in their lives. If they got arrested their parant's would send their lawyer or call some important politician and get them out. Many of them died in auto accidents. Or commited suicide. Many drug over doses. Something their parrent's money couldn't fix. It was sad.

pert -5 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 06, 2011, 03:52:33 PM »

Quote from: S. Earl Martin on August 05, 2011, 01:59:15 PM

The ones who suffered the most where their kids. They had everything but love. They had nannies or boarding school. Toys and games. Cars and atv's. They never saw their parent's or had any structure in their lives. If they got arrested their parant's would send their lawyer or call some important politician and get them out. Many of them died in auto accidents. Or commited suicide. Many drug over doses. Something their parrent's money couldn't fix. It was sad.

John Lennon wrote and sang the best lines in that song:
"we gave her everything money could buy"
"fun is the one thing that money can't buy"

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2011, 04:56:15 PM »

See that is why I like you. I have heard that song so many times and never really got the meaning. I guess I never took the time to really listen to it. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I have learned a great deal communicating with you. As well as being on this sight in general.

COOL !

SWM · « **Reply #20 on:** August 06, 2011, 05:07:27 PM »

"she's leaving home after living alone for so many years"

+1 to pert. I like discovering what a song really means. always loved this song but never actually listened to what was going on. Just sung along.

a bit like the driver in the car, pointing the car at the road, putting my foot down with out actually paying attention to were i am going and what i am doing. *metaphorically speaking*

pert -5 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2011, 05:42:22 AM »

For tonight's spiel we have a special format for all of you. Candy often comes within a wrapper, so I'm going to take a nod from that winning formula and encapsulate my analogy within a rant. I hope you all enjoy.

If we wish to solve the problems of the world then a different kind of change needs to be instituted. Rather than creating and following stagnant, a priori doctrines and maxims, every person needs to enact a change within themselves; viz., in their perspective. Stop looking for the solution from the Egocentric vantage. It is because the Ego tells us that IT is real, and we believe it, that a whole bunch of the problems arise. We must step away from this proliferation of Ego love. It is like being in a dark room and then stepping out into the bright Sun. Most of us are now in the dark room, it is where we are and what we know. To step out of that room will be a great struggle; an enormous, scary change. And even if we do manage to step out of the dark room, the bright, radiant light of the Sun will be distressing to our eyes. Yes, it will be painful at first, this stepping out of the dark room; the Egocentric life that we have become so enthralled with. But as we gradually become accustomed to the light, we will see that the light is NOT the bad thing that it at first appeared to be. In fact, things are much more clearer in the light of the Sun than ever they were in the dark room. Therefore, Wake Up! Remaining in that dark room is not the solution. Centuries of human suffering have shown us that. Wake Up!

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2011, 03:42:48 PM »

Pert-5 for president in 2012! Or maybe Pert-5 for Pope? LOL!

I have been advocating enlightenment since the 60's. Most people are asleep and are to afraid to take their head out from under the covers. Or if they have actually tried to change some con man has sold them a load of crap and stole their wallet and their car keys. So they say "I am not falling for that again". However that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and spread enlightenment. This sight is one of the best instruments I have found for doing that. The wide varity of opinions and the vast amount of information about so many subjects is enlightening in of it self.

pert -5 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2011, 05:14:05 PM »

Quote from: S. Earl Martin on August 07, 2011, 03:42:48 PM

Pert-5 for president in 2012! Or maybe Pert-5 for Pope? LOL!

Please Earl, you'll tarnish my humility. I might be good for Grand Emperor or Hierophant of the World, but certainly not Pope. I couldn't be that crooked and corrupt if I tried.

pert -5 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2011, 10:08:59 AM »

Your lucky fortune cookie is lucky today. Your lucky numbers are 6, 9, 69. Luck is bountiful for you who buy our product.

Attachment is the forerunner of sorrow. Attachment is the forerunner of sorrow. Attachment is locking onto only wanting to see a statement presented to you once, and when it is presented multiple times, to think "redundancy." Attached. Attachment is the forerunner of sorrow.

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #25 on:** August 15, 2011, 02:14:34 PM »

I actually got a fortune cookie the other day that said I would tread on the soil of many countries. I was working on my latest song at the time and thought. HMMM! maybe? I have know several bands that were pretty good that got picked up to preform in Asia or Europe. They weren't the best, but they were good enough that they could fill a club for a night.

If Your Leave 'In

If your leave in

Don't forget to take my heart

But if you love me

Can we make a

brand new start

If your gonna walk away

I won't beg

you to stay

But can't you see

Your tearin me apart

So if your leave in

Don't forget to take my heart

If you love me

Can we make

a brand new start

We with stood

The test of time

I was yours

And you were mine

Now you say

You'll throw it all away

So if your leave in

Don't forget to take my heart

This is what I have so far.

pert -5 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:17:09 AM »

There are two main reasons why I defend and promote the use of psychedelics. The first being that psychedelics can promote the separation of the Ego from the awareness so that the Ego can be scrutinized just as any other tool or object within one's grasp. This is useful for breaking free of the tendency to regard the Ego as the sole proprietor of one's being. Secondly psychedelics can bring about the "consciousness of the continuity of existence." Some may be familiar with the story of the person on LSD who said that the universe is really one and division is an illusion. In my personal experience, achieving this realization via the use of psychedelics is like someone grabbing the back of your head and thrusting your face into the water, rather than the gentle, gradual acclimation to the water that meditation affords. If one can achieve non-dualistic perception in a controlled manner by the use of psychedelics, then that is great. I can only speak from my own experiences.

Aphorism for the day (night where I live): Don't decry until you try.

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #27 on:** August 29, 2011, 04:07:45 PM »

When I did hallucinogens I noticed this. That they can make you more of whatever you are. If you are a jerk? You become a bigger jerk. If you are trying to write music? They can make you a more focused songwritter. I have to qualify this because I heard bands that when they were on acid or drunk, they just thought they were better. I once knew a metal band that was okay. They had an audition and decided to take acid before they went. Big mistake. I was there and they did terrible. Each of them sounded like they were playing a different song. Whatever you are trying to accomplish it can give you insight that you usually don't have. The problem with the band was it was making them focused on themselves and not on each other. Now to be fair. If what you are into is someone else the insight can be all about them. Yeah the war on drugs was such and obvious success we decided to declare war on everything. War on terrorism, poverty, inflation. Why can't we declare peace on things and try to just get along? Peace!!!

pert -5 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 29, 2011, 04:34:14 PM »

I'm glad you brought this up Earl, because it brings up a point. I DO NOT defend or condone the use of psychedelics or drugs to get high or wasted or trippy or any crap like that. I am talking about mindful, purpose-driven employment of psychedelics to explore and enhance one's apprehension of the psyche. The idiots who drop acid and go to parties and act like nuts will find that I harbor no sympathy for them at all. 16 year old kids taking shrooms and running around a mall like maniacs. That's not my scene. Smoking pot and laughing at things which aren't funny. These are examples of stupid, irresponsible abuse of tools that can be used for good things. Like a gun Earl. We're on the same page for sure there.

Quote from: S. Earl Martin on August 29, 2011, 04:07:45 PM

When I did hallucinogens I noticed this. That they can make you more of whatever you are.

Remember, the word is INTENT!

S. Earl Martin · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2011, 03:07:49 PM »

Yeah I agree. That is one of the main reasons I quit the whole drug scene. I saw people taking all kinds of drugs and doing the stupidist things and then blaming the drugs. (Oh the drugs made me do it.) It was a big cope out. I knew some people who followed the old ways and used them for enlightenment or introspection. Over time these became fewer and fewer. Hallucinogens are very powerful and if they are abused they can lead to dullision or psychosis. But that is not the drugs fault. Your example of intent is very relevent. So is the gun example. If someone uses a gun constructivly that is their choice. If someone uses a gun destructivly that is also their choice. It is not the guns fault. It was their choice. The same is true with mind altering substances. Even alcohol. It is how they chose to use it. Drugs in general have the potential to do good or to cause harm. Even perscription drugs can cause harm if not used correctly. The key is not incarceration, but education. If people are not aware of how these drugs should be used it will lead to the situation we have today. Abuse caused by ignorance. The problem is the powers that be don't want people aware. If they wake up they will realize that the rich eliet are enslaveing us by keeping us in debt and taking all the money for themselves. They use depressants to keep the people dosile and ignorant. And the war on drugs to control anyone who gets in their way. Look at what has happened recently. They actually were making headway in stopping the Mexican drug cartels. Then they decide to do Fast & Furious and give the cartels thousands of weapons. Then try and blame the gundealers and use it as an excuse to take away our rights. They still claim that the guns the Cartels are using come from the US. When the Mexican Government admited most of them come from other countries. Most of the ones that come from the US are provided by our own government. Our DEA shipped a whole plane load of fully automatic weapons to Mexico. They were stolen right out of the plane. Now the drug cartels have them. The war on drugs is just like prohibition. Al Cophone and other mobsters are held out as the big criminals in that stupidity. When in reality many of the same prominant families that really made the money back then are the same ones making the money today. They are politecly connected so they will never be arrested.
Legalize it don't criticize it!!!

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