The Absolute Truth

[islamisabsolutetruth]

The Absolute Truth

Islam, a monotheistic religion, is the Absolute Truth.    Islam means submission to God (Allah). People who follow Islam are Muslims.  There are around 1.5 billions Muslims all over the world.  Majority of Muslims are non-Arabs.

Islamic Belief:

There is only one God (Allah), the Creator of everything that exists in this universe, including all beings. God does not have any shape or form.

God (Allah) does not have any son, daughter, family member or partner.  He is only one and unique.  And there is none comparable to Him.

God (Allah) accepts only direct prayer/worship to Him without any mediator.

God (Allah) forgives all kinds of sins if a person repents to Him directly.

God (Allah) sent messengers and prophets with His Message (divine Books) to guide all of mankind. 

Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad are some of the messengers/prophets of Allah (peace be upon all of them).

All human are born equally and sinless.  They are belong to God (Allah).  They are created for worshiping God (Allah).

On the Day of Judgment, God (Allah) will resurrect and judge all of the mankind based on their beliefs and actions.  Then, He will reward the righteous people with Heaven, and punish the wrong doers with Hell.

How to become Muslim:

Just say and believe: There is only one God (Allah), and Muhammad is the final messenger and prophet of God (Allah).

To read the Book of God (Allah) – Quran, search for – Quran Translation by Yusuf Ali


Other Beliefs:

Nothing happens without Allah’s will.
Quran (the message from Allah) was revealed for all of mankind for guidance.
God (Allah) created angles for His services.
All human being be must treated with respect regardless of their beliefs, race, gender and other differences.
God (Allah) forgives the person who forgives other beings.

[Enigma]

adults with imaginary friends are stupid

[islamisabsolutetruth]

sometime, we can learn some valuable thing even from a stupid.

[Enigma]

You're right.  Like the fact religion preys on the ignorant and the weak. 

[islamisabsolutetruth]

what is your definition of ignorant and the weak?

[NataEames]

Is this a discussion topic or an advertisement?

The ignorant are the closed-minded and the weak are not weak from the body but from the mind and heart.

I should advertise the easter bunny - he is one!

[Enigma]

what is your definition of ignorant and the weak?

ignorant - lack of knowledge. Inability or unwillingness to to comprehend logic/facts and employ critical/rational thought

weak - inability or unwillingness to think independently and take responsibility for one's thoughts/actions/life.   

[voodoo scientist]

All humans are born just so they can worship Allah?

Allah sounds like a self-important jerk, even if he might be an all-powerful all-seeing self-important jerk. I'm not sure I'd want to worship him even if what you say is true. If that's why we were made and Allah's so smart, why doesn't he stop me from thinking or saying that? It's not like he'd care what else I did if the only reason I exist is to worship him, why the free will?

Tell me that, with all your precious scien--I mean all your precious religion.

[NataEames]

Voodoo scientist is right, what kind of god needs to be worshiped and praised? Sounds pretty egoistic.

I live in a muslim country and from what I have witnessed, theres a lot of closed-mindedness. Do you know that they don't teach you about dinosaurs and such in grade school? Because Allah created you! You didn't evolve from a monkey! Car insurance policies actually have the words "does not protect against the acts of god". When it rained and my motor flooded, they told me its the act of god. And you can't sue god!

Does that sound reasonable from any angle? Oh and if I ever say any of this to their faces, I'll be jailed and then deported. Fun

[Fredidog]

What Islam lacks is self-esteem, it is a religion of fear and submission, not love. The constructive passions are far better for obtaining self-esteem, as are love and respect, and it is far easier to murder populations in the cold calculations of "science" or "religion" than in the heated vengence of enmity. The big problem with Islam is the "transcendental pretense," the attempt to project one's own subjectivity onto the world and other people - as the "truth" - That is the most dangerous arrogance of all.

[NataEames]

In fact, the definition of the word "Islam" is submission. They blindly submit and follow the quran. Every religion tries to project themselves as the one and only truth.

But calling them murderers is prejudice and closed-mindedness from your side. Among muslims are some of the kindest and helpful people I have ever met.

Those who are actually terrorists, they are as closed-minded, prejudiced and ignorant as you are. They can be from any country or religion. Anyone who is like that can be turned to misunderstand a society and think they are doing god's will by attacking it.

[Fredidog]

I did not call "them" murderers, I used a glittering generality, which refers to no one in particular. I just said it was easier. Read my reply again!

[NataEames]

As much as I have always been against religion, I have to say that such generalizations are very incorrect. Different people exist and not everyone who follows the same religion has the exact same beliefs about it.

But I have to admit that those who blindly follow a religion or obsess on pure science (without common sense to it) are just as harmful as each-other. This is literally closing your eyes and ears to everything except those concepts you believe in.

[Fredidog]

My "generalization" is correct even though it is a type of figure of speach. Let me mention a few names that might change your mind: Hitler (science), Stalin (ideology), Castro ideology, The Catholic Kings Spanish Inquistion (religion), etc. all mass murdered in the name of reason.

[NataEames]

Please don't go there, this will start a really long and painful debate, which I know myself, I will not back down from.

But as for generalizations, even if they are sometimes correct, most of the time they just put the same face on a great number of people. I'm appalled by such things, as well as prejudice.

I have never, until today, defended a muslim. I only did that because they were being mistaken and prejudged for something else.

But you were very right when you said Islam is a religion filled with fear and submission. Just out of curiosity, how did you learn about islam?

[Fredidog]

I have read the Yusuf Ali translation all the way from "The Opening" to "Mankind". The  Surah has 114 verses and some are very confusing to read. As far as Allah is concerned; I myself, cannot love a being who makes me submit to it, it has to be my choice. For me to love, the other has to be equal to me, otherwise, it's not love at all but some other emotion. That's just me though.

[NataEames]

Exactly. Submission should only be voluntary. Otherwise, how is it different from medieval slavery?

I'll make a relationship example:
I have loved others who I considered higher or lower than me. I've submitted and been submitted to. And also I've had equal relationships. Surprisingly, the equal relationships meant much less to me and felt more fake than the ones in which there was a higher and lower being. But everything was always voluntary and full of love and emotion.

Fear should never be part of feelings towards someone. Ramadan is the "holy month" when muslims fast the entire day and eat at night. I've seen muslim women hide in the bathroom to drink water and muslim men hiding behind a house smoking during the day.
Where's the love in that?

[hortonpilot]

Truth can be forced on people as it mostly is.

People can believe what they like but that does not make it true.

[Enigma]

My "generalization" is correct even though it is a type of figure of speach. Let me mention a few names that might change your mind: Hitler (science), Stalin (ideology), Castro ideology, The Catholic Kings Spanish Inquistion (religion), etc. all mass murdered in the name of reason.

No way in hell did Hitler wage war and engineer the Holocaust in the name of science.  The Catholic populace of Germany was primed to tolerate the extinction of the Jews by generations of hearing how the Jews were Christ killers.

[pert -5]

My "generalization" is correct even though it is a type of figure of speach. Let me mention a few names that might change your mind: Hitler (science), Stalin (ideology), Castro ideology, The Catholic Kings Spanish Inquistion (religion), etc. all mass murdered in the name of reason.

Call Hitler science?

http://www.mengele.dk/

Let's not forget his little buddies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

[hortonpilot]

Demographics of Europe before and after the war speak for truth.
catholic church was the minor religion in places before the war and after the dominant!
Jewish populations did not exist in places after, all u need to do is look at census.

For hitler the difficult thing was many of the smartest brains were Jewish!
Some he had to have.

Horton

[NataEames]

Now you've done it, this has become a historical debate. Mixed with a little bit of science and a little bit of religion and just a dash of psychology. This is like putting sugar into fish, this won't taste good when it's done.

[hortonpilot]

Not really there is nothing to debate.
i mention the hard evidence of official census.

The topic was a discussion on what is the Absolute Truth, you take it away on another path saying the last few posts are conjecture?

People avoid the idea that there can be an Absolute Truth and this is a perfect instance of that happening.

Which perhaps leads us to the denial process and why we go down that path?

At some point it worth considering that some situations are a direct consequence of easily identifiable events and the scope for interpretations is exceedingly narrow and we arrive at a point of Absolute Truth or very close to it?

Horton

[Enigma]

Define absolute truth.

[hortonpilot]

What is the need for the definition?

Or should we define what is a fact.....

Or should we just abandon the reasoning process?

Moral Relativity and interpretation of census are very different processes, to hint they are in the same ball-park seems to miss out on reasoning?

Horton

[gone]

Any psychologist knows how BELIEFS are formed. see here for quick description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief
BELIEFS transcend the rational.
Religion is not rational, it is a belief.

My question. I believe you can only combat bullshit with more bullshit. For example if you said Islam is a set of ridiculous beliefs and is not true. The religious person wouldn't listen to that. But if you was to say 'The profit mohamed has risen again in the form of a potato and the message is you must all come and join me by the age of 30' they have more chance of believing that.

How would you introduce common sense and the truth to religious persons? I don't think it's possible.

[hortonpilot]

My point is that people don't make the distinctions between what can be rationally solved and what is a belief or debatable.
Some problems can be solved rationally very easily by there nature of being a function of mechanics ,direct consequence or the like.

Near Absolute truths do exist , such as ,
"If you spend more than you earn you will be in debt."
"If you drink drive you will eventually be caught."
"If you put your hand in the fire you will get serious burns "

Beliefs do not transcend the rational because the Truth exist despite the fact that it is not discovered or understood.
it is like saying the moon does not exist because we ignore it's existence.


Horton

[Fredidog]

Our lives consists of a dialectic movement back and forth between subjectivity and objectivity. There is nothing in between. Since these two are standpoints, for a person to attempt to live wholly subjectively would be threatened continuously with madness, cut off from the anchorage of other people's opinions and the "facts" of the world. But for a person to live wholly objectively, a tragic paradigm that is all to common in our society, it would literally be inhuman, for it is our passions and our sense of ourselves and our values that constitute our humanity. Without subjectivity there would be no passions, no values, and no "Selves." But without objectivity, there would be no facts, only opinions without a test of truth. It would be absurd to try and live in one standpoint or another.

"Truth" cannot be proved it just is, try this one "There is no such thing as absolute truth, and that's the absolte truth." Truth has to be a fact and what we lack in the interpretation of facts is precision but we'll even get that oneday...

[NataEames]

Truth seems to be a slightly variable term. It can apparently be turned to make religions sound like the "absolute truth".

Anything can be made to sound like the truth, and the mind will not be able to tell it apart. Which is why lie detectors can easily be fooled as long as you fool your own mind.

Fact, however is something that is and can be proven. Like math and chemical equations. Fact is stable and usually non-variable.

[Fredidog]

The dictionary says truth is a fact that can be verified and that it conforms to reality. Facts can be relative, however. Newton's Laws are facts on earth but not at the universal level. A fact can be proven only so far as man's precision permits.

But truth, buy definition, is nothing else but the truth whether you know it or not. What you describe as "variable" or "sounds like" and, a partial truth or something that seems like the truth, is not necessarily the truth.