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Violence in the media?
« on: October 19, 2008, 02:54:13 PM »
Do you think violence in movies, particularly horror movies, influences or instills violence in people?

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 05:28:04 PM »
Am personally less worried about it "instilling" violence, as I am with the attention it steals from the more important things in our lives, and the desensitization it causes.  While I train combative arts, play "violent" video games, see scary movies and such, would regard myself a very peaceful person, a pacifist.  Also a licensed therapist, and find that the literature is truly split on whether or not the effect of actually increasing a propensity for violence is true or not.

Of equal interest, there's lots of literature about the effect of media on the perception of violence, and crime.  Our attention on such things tends to make us think it ubiquitous, when it's not quite as much as we once thought it so.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 05:55:19 PM »
I get what you're saying, Cor.  I agree that more than actually instilling violence, it desensitizes us.  I, too, watch violent movies -- am a fan of all the Freddy Kruger, Halloween, etc. movies.  I wonder if anyone is truly influenced by these types of movies or video games, would you say they already have violent tendencies instilled by other sources such as childhood abuse or any other type of trauma?

I'm merely curious about what folks here think about it.  In my psyc class last semester, someone wrote a paper on this and I can't remember all the detail but he presented some stats supporting his views -- that violence in the media does play a big part in influencing violence in a child.

Also wanted to note on your comment: 
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it steals from the more important things in our lives
.  I think you made a very important point there.

Have you ever watched Premonition with Sandra Bullock?  Some of my coworkers hated the movie because they felt as if the plot was set up in such a way that no matter what the main character did, her husband would still die.  So it was basically a waste of an hour and a half.  But I actually thought it sent a very good message about love and marriage.  It actually touched me because it made me think that we don't know when we or our loved one may die and we should be sure that we try our hardest to love them unconditionally and to work on the issues that are in the way of that.

Anyway your comment on the more important things made me think of a movie that actually focused on that.

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 09:05:25 PM »
As we're poking at this, I can't help but think as you pointed out, we may be missing the soul of the thing.  There's way more to worry about in violent tendencies that are instilled simply by violence itself, poverty, war, substance abuse and such than we ever have to worry about in the likes of GTA.  For every person who says they ____ because of GTA, there's probably a hundred that _____ because it was done to them, they got a drug habit (because it happened to them), etc ad nauseum.

It's a fairly well known fact that the highest number of domestic abuse cases occur on Super Bowl Sunday.  The presence of alcohol, poverty, unresolved issues, team sports, and Raider fans (kidding here... loosely) are all more concerned issues to me than Michael Myers.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 09:25:46 PM »
Point nicely stated. 

Also, you bring up a good point about dv on Super Bowl Sunday.  There are far more important issues.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 09:35:26 PM »
Point nicely stated. 

Also, you bring up a good point about dv on Super Bowl Sunday.  There are far more important issues.
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Re: Violence in the media?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 09:55:12 AM »
Does violence influence or instill violence?

Put this question in another way.
Do our experiences influence our behaviour?

Without doubt what we experience influences our behaviour. Violence in the media definitely influences our behaviour.  Does it make people violent? Yes… and no.

Everybody reacts differently to their experiences what makes one person act violent will make another person fearful. What makes one person fearful will make another person sexually excited. There are so many possible reactions to any event that it would be improper to say that A causes B.

I will come back to this after. there are a few more thoughts I want to add.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 12:12:48 PM »
Nice.  :) I'd love to read more about your thoughts on this, Stan.  You've given me something to ponder this morning.

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Re: Violence in the media?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 09:55:13 AM »
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Of equal interest, there's lots of literature about the effect of media on the perception of violence, and crime.  Our attention on such things tends to make us think it ubiquitous, when it's not quite as much as we once thought it so.


this was a point i was getting to in my previous post. this perception that violence is everywhere is more likely to lead to violence due to living in fear of violence. for some people this will lead to a string of beliefs that result in more violent behaviour. ie, a person believes that the world is an extremely violent place, they believe that at any moment they might be attacked, they believe in order to defend themselves they must carry a weapon or keep a gun, if anything disturbs this person their natural instinct is to reach for their best means of defence, bang bang.

ie, a man in a pub believes that most people carry knives, he believes if he gets into a fight he will be stabbed, he has convinced himself that if anyone ever starts a fight with him he should pick up the nearest glass and smash it into the face of the aggressor.

violence is not a positive forward-moving behaviour for society, violence is a behaviour that segregates people from each other and inhibits the synergisitic growth of society. when people believe that the life of other people is less important than their own theirs, there is a problem with that culture. society will not function at its most effective when there are such atittudes towards other peoples. unfortunatley this has been the culture thoughout our history.

we see many justifications for the killing of other people, these justifications make killing other people acceptable.  it is not "moral" but is none-the-less "acceptable" to kill in the name of peace, justice, freedom, *insert righteous cause here*

i believe that the messages that we are given through from our governments and from the news our more damaging than the horror and violence that we see in the movies. we can all differentiate fact from fiction, and when the violence is real and tangible, when there is an imminent threat and pervading fear then the message that violence is the best means of defense slips right into the believe systems of the audience. 
And the  LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as  one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2008, 04:53:37 PM »

this was a point i was getting to in my previous post. this perception that violence is everywhere is more likely to lead to violence due to living in fear of violence. for some people this will lead to a string of beliefs that result in more violent behaviour. ie, a person believes that the world is an extremely violent place, they believe that at any moment they might be attacked, they believe in order to defend themselves they must carry a weapon or keep a gun, if anything disturbs this person their natural instinct is to reach for their best means of defence, bang bang.

i believe that the messages that we are given through from our governments and from the news our more damaging than the horror and violence that we see in the movies. we can all differentiate fact from fiction, and when the violence is real and tangible, when there is an imminent threat and pervading fear then the message that violence is the best means of defense slips right into the believe systems of the audience. 
These two things are really nicely said.  So much of this I think, could be avoided simply by knowing one another.  Here in LA, most people don't know their neighbors.  We don't give one another eye contact in the street, elevator, in cars.  We aggress against others mostly because we have a fundamental perception of them being just that, but with a capital "O"thers.

Native Americans have a saying, "Mitak oyas in".  It means, roughly and as a rule, "For all my relations" or "We are all connected" (or both, depending on who you talk to).  Point is, if I view us as connected, it's much harder to steal from you, harm you, sexually violate you or whatever.  Even moreso, if I simply know you.  E-motionally, mentally, and "spiritually" speaking.

I have a checkered past because of my substance abuse history (clean now almost 25 years), have been locked up twice in my adolescence, my primary source of recovery has been in beautiful downtown Compton, California (ahem...), I have lived in Los Angeles my whole life.  I have hung out with all manner of scandalous folk, gangsters, grew up around violence, worked in psychiatric hospitals for the last 24 years, done martial arts my whole life.  I play all manner of video games, even the "questionable" ones.  Where I'm going with this is that I've had plenty of reason (demographically speaking) to be in scraps, assault folk in drug situations and etc.  I've never done so, and have never been aggressed against (save once when I didn't pay my bills with my connection).  Not in the hospital.  Not when I was locked up.   Not because I train.

The reason I assert, anecdotally of course, is because of my willingness to really know, be close to people.  As such, there's way less reason for us to impose power over one another for whatever reason.  It's not simply because I'm a big boy or whatever.  I stay soft, treat people as intrinsically connected to me, and start with connecting first.  Am more than fairly convinced that this philosophy has done more to avoid violence in my life of all kinds, than anything else.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 06:46:30 AM »
These two things are really nicely said.  So much of this I think, could be avoided simply by knowing one another.  Here in LA, most people don't know their neighbors.  We don't give one another eye contact in the street, elevator, in cars.  We aggress against others mostly because we have a fundamental perception of them being just that, but with a capital "O"thers.


the similarities between our lives our many corwin. a story for another day mate! this is happens in our city too. it is a sad fact of our culture. i have been fortunate enough to live away from my city and expeience the difference of life in a small rural community. the fact of it is that depersonalisation of people as Others does make it easier to cause harm. i dont think this attitude has come about due to the violence bu that the violence has come about due to the depersonalisation of Other people as objects. Those Other Objects are there as obstacles or tools, resources or competition for our resources. i think our culture has made people in to objects to be used, abused and discarded. it is this that has allowed violence to grow....

And the  LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as  one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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Re: Violence in the media?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2009, 05:21:35 PM »
Do you think violence in movies, particularly horror movies, influences or instills violence in people?

there have been studie to say that regular/prolonged exposure to violence makes people more tolerant of it and less sympathetic to victims.

I wonder if its not the violence itself, but our reaction.

most of us all tolerate violence. the groups that take the stance that we shuld have 0 violence and no victim should ever be labeled as complicent, are often labeled as unrealistic and are insulted as extremists and 'idiots'. but if we were to accept reality - deal in facts - but say we will not tolerate the existence of violence nor will we grant it acceptance by blaming victims, couldn't we lower violence?

can we not identify with victims over the victimizers when it comes to violence in the media?

(I'd say video games are an issue as some have you play the abuser. including one about stockholm syndrome where you literally play a kidnapper who tries to torment and randomly offer kindness to a character until they identify with you - which means you win the game)

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 04:13:38 PM »
  Perhaps violence in media, especially video games, gives a person an outlet for that violent behavior. The developing mind without that outlet might just be curious and try to actually hurt something.

 

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