Hearing the future.

[spamtrap]

Why would someone insist that they can hear voices from the future?

Here is a post they made to another forum:


I do not have voices which tell me to hunt people down and kill them. I have sounds of the future which may OR MAY NOT occur. I may have fore=knowledge, but I do not have a time, which makes my "gift" mostly useless. I have voices which ask me questions. Not the voice of MY thoughts, but a man's voice: "Why did you talk to him in such a condescending manner?" Sounds like a question a friend would ask, doesn't it?

[SWM]

hi,

the person believes that sounds they hear are from the future and the voices they hear are the voices of a firendly man. they may be insistent about this because somebody has being trying to tell them their experiences are not what they believe they are.

[gone]

this sounds to me like the onset of schitzophrenia. I say firstly because hearing voices is the first sign. Secondly thinking they can 'hear the future' is a schitzophrenic sympton of delusion and thirdly, what the voice said "Why did you talk to that man in such a condescending manor".. that increases the suspician of schitzophrenia because of the content of the sentence.

Apart from signs of delusion
The voice was:
1. Another persons
2. Questioning their actions
3. Being critical

[SWM]

@psychomother I dont often censor content on the forum but i have deleted something you said from your previous post.

this sounds to me like the onset of schitzophrenia. I say firstly because hearing voices is the first sign.

Hearing voices is a common experience and does not mean somebody is schizophrenic.

Secondly thinking they can 'hear the future' is a schitzophrenic sympton of delusion

many people are delusional and are not schizophrenic.

and thirdly, what the voice said "Why did you talk to that man in such a condescending manor".. that increases the suspician of schitzophrenia because of the content of the sentence.

The content of the sentence is by no means bizarre or dangerous. the voice is not telling him to harm himself or anyone else. the voice actually seems friendly and guiding.

the individual in question may or may not be schizophrenic the symptoms described could be experienced by somebody who is not psychotic. it is really dangerous for people who lack a true understanding of these symptoms to propose diagnosis of peopel based on an extremely limited ammount of info.

how would you differentiate between somebody with schizophrenia and somebody having a psychotic episode?

the DSMivR can help in understanding how a dioagnosis of schizophrenia is reached.  you might also if your interested want to look into the commonalities bertween spiritual/ mystic experiences and symptoms of schizophrenia /psychosis. there is plenty of good research and info about.

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Just put my two pense worth in, didn't mean to offend, you're the boss.

I don't believe in mysticism/spirituality everything has a logical explanation to me. So I agree that people who experience this are experience psycosis of some sort.

I think it's interesting again that you and I derive opposing meanings, as per usual. I read the sentence as criticising/controlling, you read it as friendly/guiding.

I don't say one is right and one is wrong, they are signs of schitzophrenia, I didn't lie. Another could say it's a sign that the person is a prophet sent from god, and they wouldn't be lying either, if they'd believe that. It's just a difference. And the more posibilities listed the more of an understanding we gain. I guess.

[SWM]

they are not signs of schizophrenia they are common experiences which people with or without mental illness can have. they may be more common in schizophrenia but they are not signs of schizophrenia or that people with these experiences or ill. 

people with schizophrenia can sometimes speak in prose or make up stories but that does not mean that all poets and story tellers are schizophrenic.

labelling people schizophrenic just because you dont believe in mysticism is extremely ignorant and potentially damaging for the person you are labelling.

please be aware of the problem you could cause someone by saying such things.

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I wonder if I've hit a nerve.

But we can look at other reaons a person would experience delusions & hearing voices as it seems people can experience this without being schitzophrenic.

Acording to The Hearing Voices Movement the majority (80%) say the voices started after having a traumatic experience, or began after being reminded of a past traumatic experience..  That's another reason.

[gone]

I've copied and pasted this as it's quite interesting and helpful for those interested, I thought.

From someone who heard voices.

"The mind uses symbols, which we then verbalize to mean whatever we figure out. Speech is faulty, but the mental symbols are normal and explain what we experience....IF we figure them out CORRECTLY, then we understand ourselves.
If we mistake the meanings, we can feel crazy and out of control, and can act crazy.

From my childhood trauma and an accident, I was also considered to be psychic by many people, and I also experienced disturbing reoccurring dreams through my childhood. I heard voices asking me things like, "why are YOU smiling?", and I was extremely self-conscious, with suicidal tendencies. I saw no outward reason why I would be like that.

A psychiatrist and other doctors offered me drugs, to "squelch" my psyche, which I tried for a time, then stopped taking because they had a numbing effect.

In my forties, I went into psychotherapy for all of this, and dealt with my childhood and the accident trauma, and still had dreams, but I started to try to understand the symbols in my mind. For instance, "people chasing me" became clearly the feeling of not having control over the adults that abused me, and many other symbols began to make sense.

A few years later, I even discovered where that "voice" came from...while showing my driver's license picture to my older brother, he said, there you are with that smirk! I was stunned, because I had merely tried to look pleasant with a smile for the picture. It turned out that he, being seven when I was born, was jealous and had thought when I smiled, that I was smirking at him for taking attention from him. How very sad that he felt so displaced and no one helped him with it, and that I took his reaction personally, as if there was something wrong with my very existence.

That is just part of the long story of things that affected me, to show you how things stored in the mind can be stirred up by trauma, and get all mixed up. But they can also be sorted out and put in their proper place in the mind.

Psychotherapy made all the difference for me, because my confusion was so entrenched. I am fine now, not self-destructive, but still very sensitive to what goes on around me, and I have hunches that seem psychic to other people. But I am not psychic, I am just very aware and I pay attention to details that most people don't notice.

[pert -5]

I wonder if I've hit a nerve

A common ploy.  Been there, done that...

[S. Earl Martin]

Making a clinical diagnoses can be very difficult. Look at the instantces were someone is on trial and a number of experts /psychiatrists are all asked to determine if the person is competant to stand trial. Even then you can get a wide varity of opinions. Or where someone is determined to not be a threat and then they kill someone. Calling someone schitzophrenic could have very serious consequences.

As per the origanial statements. Having "voices" telling you of possible future outcomes is not that unusual. At least to me. I call it forthought. I have for as long as I can remember ran possible outcomes in my head of situations that are in the future. Many times I hear voices in my head speaking. " If Bill does this. I will need to have this ready" Or" if it rains tomorrow I will need to postpone doing this and will do this instead". If I make a mistake I would hear a voice saying "stupid, stupid, why did you do that" I have never considered these voices to be psychosis. Just part of my everyday planning and interaction.

As far as dreaming the future I have already posted my experiences about that on other topics. I have had instantces where I have had dreams that I had no way of predicting that actually came true. On the other hand I have had dreams that didn't come true. Other times I used logic to predict the most likely outcome and many times it came true. Sometimes not.

I would say as long as the "voices are helpful and are not harmful to anyone. It is no big deal! Peace!

[ErikAndersen]

I'm glad they have a subforum for "parapsychology", as it's mostly nonsense that might pollute the rest of the forums.

[Sigma Freud]

Many people claim to hear voices. They can associate this with their own conscious, with external people, with God, etc. It wouldn't be that strange for someone to believe their hallucinations are from 'future' people.

[pert -5]

Many people claim to hear voices.

How "many"?  And from where?  Oh, were you just being sweeping, generalistic, ecumenical?

They can associate this with their own conscious, with external people, with God, etc.

Through great effort, yes they can.  People can also come to strong spiritual convictions, the likes of which no "reason" can help.  You must be ready to deal with the kind Bible lovers as well as the ones who think that they are Prophets of Jehovah.  Not quite so simple explaining to a self-appellated "prophet" that they are simply experiencing apophenia.

It wouldn't be that strange for someone to believe their hallucinations are from 'future' people.

Yes!!  I love this post.  But sometimes they think it comes from alien beings or mole people or from their toilet drain.  One must be equipped to listen to people talking about mole people, and else, ever-on-ward.

Thanks for this post!  Welcome to the forum! 

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I'm not being funny but I smell a rat here.
This is how perception works, what are the chances of 2 different people joining this site.
Both of which join on the same day.
Both of which use a photo.
Both photo's of which look like their from the same source.
Both members list their sex.
Both members comment on the same posts.
Both members have a first and second name.
The chances of that happening are very remote.
Therefore I percieve that Erick Anderson and Sigma Freud are one of the same member.
So why 2 profiles?

[pert -5]

I'm not being funny but I smell a rat here.
This is how perception works, what are the chances of 2 different people joining this site.
Both of which join on the same day.
Both of which use a photo.
Both photo's of which look like their from the same source.
Both members list their sex.
Both members comment on the same posts.
Both members have a first and second name.
The chances of that happening are very remote.
Therefore I percieve that Erick Anderson and Sigma Freud are one of the same member.
So why 2 profiles?

Maybe not the same person, but I DEFINITELY smelled the same kind of rat PM.  Such rapport they have for new members, no?

[ErikAndersen]

I'm not being funny but I smell a rat here.
This is how perception works, what are the chances of 2 different people joining this site.
Both of which join on the same day.
Both of which use a photo.
Both photo's of which look like their from the same source.
Both members list their sex.
Both members comment on the same posts.
Both members have a first and second name.
The chances of that happening are very remote.
Therefore I percieve that Erick Anderson and Sigma Freud are one of the same member.
So why 2 profiles?

Not going to feel this troll after this post. But I feel like it's something of a personal attack on me so I will point out why your theory is flawed:

2 people joining in the same day. Is that uncommon? This site was linked from a Neurobiology site yesterday, and it's how I found it. I might know Sigma Freud from that site, I'll ask her. She seems like she's familiar with Neuroscience.

Is it uncommon to use a photo? I thought this was a professional site where photographs were desired to deter trolls. I could take mine down but I feel like that would just be letting the trolls win.

I have no idea where Sigma got her photo, but my wife took my photo for me

I listed my sex because I'm a male and it has a checkbox. Not sure about Sigma.

I was not aware we've commented on the same posts.

I gave this site my first and last name, but I doubt Sigma Freud's real name is Sigma Freud. Just a hunch.

I think you're reading too much into this.

[Sigma Freud]

I'm not being funny but I smell a rat here.
This is how perception works, what are the chances of 2 different people joining this site.
Both of which join on the same day.
Both of which use a photo.
Both photo's of which look like their from the same source.
Both members list their sex.
Both members comment on the same posts.
Both members have a first and second name.
The chances of that happening are very remote.
Therefore I percieve that Erick Anderson and Sigma Freud are one of the same member.
So why 2 profiles?

Huh? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware this community was so exclusive that it was strange that two people would join it on the same day. I am not aware of who ErikAnderson is, but if I'm going to be accused of being someone else then this is a strange welcome! I feel like I offered some relevant posts and I've only just joined. Why is it so strange to have opinions and want to join in discussion just because you happened to create a profile on that day? Is there a waiting period in which I should be an observer to please you? I am actually a bit offended and will now most likely delete my account here.

By the way, the reason I commented in some of the posts I did was because they were on the main page listed as 'active topics'.

[S. Earl Martin]

Just because some people are paranoid a holes doesn't mean that everyone is. Besides who put you in charge of deciding eticate and who is allowed to post? (Addressing psyco mommy) I think we should just stay on topic. To the new members. Please excuse the rudeness. There are as in all situations people who can't maintain a debate without resorting to personel attacks. This sight can be fun and informative. You appear to be intellegent and I would personelly welcome you to continue.
Earl

[gone]

I've only just come across these replies.
SE what the heck are you going on about, you have jumped in with your oppinions in defending new memebers while attacking me. I am not paranoid. I am observant. I am not rude, I am honest. I am not deciding who can post here, I have not made a personal attack. My god you are ignorant in your attack on me.
If you noticed something suspicious as I had above, what would you do? Ignore it? Well sorry I belive strongly in the truth and in justice. I just pointed out the big coincidence, which is seems people think I should have swept under the carpet. Pretend it doesn't exist. Yes I notice a lot of you are good at ignoring what you don't like, the truth that is.
It was not a personal attack, I welcomed both, but if they along with you fail to understand what truth and a sense of humour is then that's not really my problem either.

[S. Earl Martin]

Calm down and have some cheese. P Mommy you have a tendency to take information that is unrelated or vagely related and jump to conclusions. If people know each other or comunicate on line apart from the forum so what. My suggestion is to just stay with the topic or start a new one. As far as a sense of humor goes? Quote: "I am not being funny here. I smell a rat." One of the reasons myself and others stopped participating was because the sight had become stale. New people might make it more interesting? Only one of my statements was directed to you directly. Just peace out and have fun. Earl

[Razorblade]

Hello everyone, just wanted to comment on "I have voices which ask me questions. Not the voice of MY thoughts, but a man's voice: "Why did you talk to him in such a condescending manner?". Recent studies in linguistics show that people think in "language"- so called" internal language"- only when they are in a social context, that is, we don't have a voice of our own thoughts when we are alone. We think in terms of meaning and concepts. I am wondering what are your thoughts on this because I tend to believe that the individual in question has issues with his own personality maybe a split personality that gives voice to his insecurities?
Peace:)

[S. Earl Martin]

Something I found interesting was this. My wife was a deaf interpreter. Many of the deaf people can't speak. I asked some of them when they thought what was it like. That when I was formulating thoughts I heard my voice inside my head. They had never been able to speak or hear so they couldn't hear a voice inside their head. They told me they saw pictures in their head instead. I wondered how that would work. I mean when I think "I need to get my keys" for example. I guess they would see a picture of themselves getting their keys. Or if I think" 45 + 20 is 65. They would see the numbers. Or sometimes they would see their hands signing. Peace!