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Why The Light May Not Win
« on: January 05, 2011, 11:58:30 PM »
I believe there are three paradigms to viewing the Universe. I will be discussing why the Light may not win in each of the paradigms. The first paradigm is to view the Universe as Light only. The second paradigm is to view the Universe as both Light and Dark. The third paradigm is to view the Universe as Dark only.

Why the Light May Not Win Within the Context of the First Paradigm (Light Only)

1). Evil does not have to win. Many people tend to get caught up on a good versus evil mentality. It is simply more complex than that. Evil does not have to go on the offensive. The very fact that evil exist, still exist, and continue to exist means that not all is good and Light. In order for Light to win, Light must take the initiative and convert all that is into Light.

2). All it takes is for one soul out of the countless souls in the Universe to be dark. Even if virtually all the souls of various species in the Universe chose the path of Light, but there is still one soul that is evil beyond imagination, the Light still has not won. On the basis that everything is a reflection of the Creator, this one soul will be a constant reminder to the Universe that although the Universe sees Itself as perfection (and to perfect its creation as well), it is not because there is still a psychopathic entity in existence.

3). For the Light to completely destroy evil would make the Light no different from the being of evil itself. The act of destruction is a role that only evil is suppose to exercise. The Light is suppose to take on a role that is oppositional to destruction which is non-destruction. It is suppose to set an example and be a role model of kindness, goodness, love, and the like. This is straightforward and self-explanatory.

4). Potential knowledge and existences of the unknown. There are still many unknown variables that may not be discovered yet, many knowledge that is not known yet, and many unknown things that can never be known anyways. The potentiality of the two other paradigms (viewing the Universe as both Light and Dark and viewing the Universe as Dark only) may dramatically diminish the power of the Light to succeed its mission of complete Lightness. All that is said in the prior is what drove me personally to come up with the theory of All That Is and its relation to Primary Existence and Secondary Existence hypothesis.

Why the Light May Not Win Within the Context of the Second Paradigm (both Light and Dark)

1). Because all things have a composition of both light and dark, the elimination of dark is not possible. If one were to view the Universe as both Light and Dark simultaneously, that which is light and that which is dark must cooperate with each other in alignment with perfection. All that is light and all that is dark facilitate each other and help the Universe in finding Itself, experiencing Itself, and knowing Itself. This in turn is also a reflection of its Creation and hence you see similar traits of both the good and the bad in animals (pit bull bites someone’s ears off even when conditioned to behave good versus a friendlier dog), humans (a serial killer versus a person who loves everyone and constantly helps other people), and other entities.

2). For the Light to fight with the Dark is like the left eye punching the right eye in a human being analogously. Think of the whole Universe like the whole human body. If a particle, an atom, or whatever you want to call it fights with another particle, the body itself cannot stand to live without experiencing pain and its consequences. For the body to function normally, the left eye cannot punch the right eye.

3). Both the Light and the Dark rely on each other for growth and evolution. Every time when evil is inflicted upon a good person or when something bad happens (generally speaking), it may make the good person a stronger and better person. The good person may also come to appreciate particular things in which he/she may not have appreciated if the opposition never existed in the first place. The same works in the vice versa. When the good person becomes a better and stronger person, this too may reflect back to the evil person, the evil and its associates, and the evil consciousness. For every level that evil rises, good rises as well. For every level that good rises, evil is also raised by one level. This facilitation process may also work in the subconscious and unconscious too. Someone (whether good or evil) may not be aware of their own growth, development, and learning experience but the effect did occur.

Why the Light May Not Win Within the Context of the Third Paradigm (Dark Only)

1). Evil is the only true core of existence and this psychopathic mindset is locked inside the brain of the Universe. The Universe loves destruction. It enjoys seeing pain and suffering in the things it has created. We human beings are like lab rats in an experiment. The Universe is a professional pathological liar. It will even deny its own beingness of cruelty and destruction but will act it out anyways. It will go even as far as to claim the title of an entity that is compassionate and loving but it will do the opposite. It lacks empathy in reality. Hypocrisy, paradoxes, contradictions, oxymorons, and deception are built into the core of its existence.

2). Because its composition is total darkness, actual Light does not exist. All the things that are considered to be good is only a cover up. It is only used as publicity to control its Creation. This is no different than the big banks creating a charity component as part of its existence (to create the illusion of how they are all so loving) but anyone who specializes in the study of society (sociology and epidemiology) knows that these charitable components are minute compared to potential real social change. Love does not exist. Love is only used as an intellectual weapon to control, manipulate, and indoctrinate the things and entities It has created.

3). Hierarchy, centralization, competition, and the conflict theory/perspective is embedded to its existence. There is only one ruler in the Universe and that is the Universe/Creator itself only. It is the Supreme Being that overrides and supersedes all things. Contrary to the notion that hierarchy does not exist, it does in fact exists and there is a chain of command present. Contrary to the notion that decentralization of control and democracy exists, it does not because ultimately, in the end, whatever is willed by the centralized powers to be, shall come to be and pass. Entities regardless of species origin and creation must fight with each other to attain power and control. It is a dog eat dog world and power struggle is an eternal existence. 

In conjunction with my theory of All That Is (see my thread "My Theory of All That Is"), it is in my opinion that the Primary Existence reflects the second (Light and Dark) and third (Dark Only) paradigms only. The Secondary Existence reflect all three paradigms (Light, Light and Dark, and Dark).
“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.” - Albert Einstein

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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 08:29:07 PM »
how does attraction and repulsion fit into your theory?
The so-called miraculous powers of a great master are a natural accompaniment to his exact understanding of subtle laws that operate in the inner cosmos of consciousness.

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 09:53:26 PM »
how does attraction and repulsion fit into your theory?

Generally speaking, good people are attracted to good people and bad people are attracted to bad people. However, we are all One and the Same and therefore have to work with people we don't like either.
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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 10:49:29 PM »
hmmm, but how does the concept of attraction and repulsion fit with your theory of light and dark?
The so-called miraculous powers of a great master are a natural accompaniment to his exact understanding of subtle laws that operate in the inner cosmos of consciousness.

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 11:07:44 PM »
The light versus dark can be traced back to egyption astrological mythology. Each day the sun god would do battle with set, the sun would win & rise in the sky only for set to return and win over the sun, hense bringing in the dark (night).

The thing is, there have to be oposites for recognition. If everyone was beautiful, you wouldn't know everyone was beautiful because there would be no ugly opposite, therefore beauty can't exist without ugly. Just like light can't exist without dark.

Hollywood has 1 storyline weather the characters be dinosaurs or people or toys : Good battles with evil, good wins, good get the reward (usually a girl)..

And don't opposites attract? I think a control freak in a relationship with a control freak just wouldn't work, a control freak needs to partner a submissive and visa-versa..

I don't rate your theories sorry.

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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 11:20:53 PM »
hmmm, but how does the concept of attraction and repulsion fit with your theory of light and dark?

Well, if you can't see it, then there is no link. Correlation does not equal causation.

I believe that there is a battle between the Light and the Dark both literally and metaphorically. There is the battle that is almost like “Star Wars” with the First Galactic War which led to the establishment of the Galactic Federation to prevent evil domination. Then there is the battle of the self conflicted between that which is Light/Good and that which is Dark/Evil.
“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.” - Albert Einstein

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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 09:14:36 AM »
but you cant see how attraction and repulsion are related to this?
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 10:32:25 AM »
I think what you have identified and trying to theorise on is opposites and one opposite overcoming another. Which is impossible given that if there was no dark, light wouldn't be recognised. You must understand the world works on opposites, polar opposites - north and south (can one overcome the other?) tall and short, naive and ruthless, hot and cold. Now some time ago upon recognising this I theorised (if not realised) that harmony is discovered in the meeting of those opposites. For example tall meets short = medium height, man meets woman = child, light meets dark (beautiful sun set) etc etc etc.. I elaborated and wrote up the theory then my Chinese friend pointed out what I'd discovered was actually Yin and Yang (a concept already recognised)..

As for your title 'may not win' as long as there is difference, there will also be conflict until such a time all people are educated in understanding & accepting difference. Rich and poor, Muslim & christians, fat and thin, attractive and ugly.. All these do battle with each other as you say in an attempt to 'win' but there is no right or wrong way, just a happy medium, but unfortunately most people can't see this.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 09:25:04 PM »
I think what you have identified and trying to theorise on is opposites and one opposite overcoming another. Which is impossible given that if there was no dark, light wouldn't be recognised. You must understand the world works on opposites, polar opposites - north and south (can one overcome the other?) tall and short, naive and ruthless, hot and cold. Now some time ago upon recognising this I theorised (if not realised) that harmony is discovered in the meeting of those opposites. For example tall meets short = medium height, man meets woman = child, light meets dark (beautiful sun set) etc etc etc.. I elaborated and wrote up the theory then my Chinese friend pointed out what I'd discovered was actually Yin and Yang (a concept already recognised)..

As for your title 'may not win' as long as there is difference, there will also be conflict until such a time all people are educated in understanding & accepting difference. Rich and poor, Muslim & christians, fat and thin, attractive and ugly.. All these do battle with each other as you say in an attempt to 'win' but there is no right or wrong way, just a happy medium, but unfortunately most people can't see this.

Yes, both good and evil need each other. I never negated that.

Everything in life is a paradox......
“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.” - Albert Einstein

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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2011, 09:26:10 PM »
but you cant see how attraction and repulsion are related to this?

Well, I can but some people simply just can't. You can't force someone to see a connection if they don't see it even after all that act of explaining.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2011, 07:06:07 PM »
Keep in mind that this “war” is just a game part of a social experiment of Source – that’s why I call it “Why The Light May Not Win” instead of “Why the Light Will Lose” – there is a big difference between “may” and “will.” Also, I don’t think the Light is necessarily going to lose either…..
The best way I can put this would be in the words of medium Browne: “In the end, all things will go back to the Source.” I am going to go ahead and guess that this view is correct because I do not believe the Source will lead Itself to Its own destruction. We are God and God is us simplicitly speaking.
In the beginning, all things bathed in Light and Love and Consciousness had to see what it was like in its opposite…..
So although Everything may seem indifferent and cruel, I believe this is only temporary but nevertheless, it must be experienced to its worse case scenario or worse case circumstance.
“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.” - Albert Einstein

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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 07:34:55 PM »
"medium Browne" and talk of God! WTF.. are you serious. The light is the sun ffs. Christiany is a parody of the worship of the sun. Now you talk of mediums, I suggest you read and understand what

COLD READING - Ian Rowland http://www.skepdic.com/coldread.html
BARNAM STATEMENTS - PT Barnham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
understand some basic psychology like 'subjective validation'
read some more and observe the language tricks mediums use and watch some videos of the dirty tricks they employ and unethical methods they callously adopt and pray of the naive and bereaved. here


And here is an expert explaing the linguistic trics they use..


If you believe in psychics no sensible or intelligent person will take you seriously especially when you bring them in to unrelated topics you now seem like a Christian missionary with a hidden agenda on a mission.








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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 07:45:48 PM »
"medium Browne" and talk of God! WTF.. are you serious. The light is the sun ffs. Christiany is a parody of the worship of the sun. Now you talk of mediums, I suggest you read and understand what

COLD READING - Ian Rowland http://www.skepdic.com/coldread.html
BARNAM STATEMENTS - PT Barnham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
understand some basic psychology like 'subjective validation'
read some more and observe the language tricks mediums use and watch some videos of the dirty tricks they employ and unethical methods they callously adopt and pray of the naive and bereaved. here


And here is an expert explaing the linguistic trics they use..


If you believe in psychics no sensible or intelligent person will take you seriously especially when you bring them in to unrelated topics you now seem like a Christian missionary with a hidden agenda on a mission.

Actually, I am not Christian. I consider myself to be a "lightworker" and an "indigo" -

http://lightworkers.org/forum
http://indigosociety.com/


There's lots of intelligent people that would take me seriously. By the way, telepathic communication with spirits is more "parapsychology"








"medium Browne" and talk of God! WTF.. are you serious. The light is the sun ffs. Christiany is a parody of the worship of the sun. Now you talk of mediums, I suggest you read and understand what

COLD READING - Ian Rowland http://www.skepdic.com/coldread.html
BARNAM STATEMENTS - PT Barnham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
understand some basic psychology like 'subjective validation'
read some more and observe the language tricks mediums use and watch some videos of the dirty tricks they employ and unethical methods they callously adopt and pray of the naive and bereaved. here


And here is an expert explaing the linguistic trics they use..


If you believe in psychics no sensible or intelligent person will take you seriously especially when you bring them in to unrelated topics you now seem like a Christian missionary with a hidden agenda on a mission.








“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.” - Albert Einstein

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Re: Why The Light May Not Win
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 10:12:49 PM »
Hmmm! All I know is when the light is turned on or the sun comes up the darkness disappears, but so do the cockroaches.
You have solar systems that are solar ( one sun) or binary (two suns). So if they were binary there would be no darkness in therory. Wouldn't that kinda effect your therory?   
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2011, 01:06:19 AM »
there is no telepathic communication with spirits, parapsychology? I think the word is 'bullshit'

I like your new avatar S.Earl Martin, it's always great to see Pagan symbols :-)

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 01:11:17 AM »
I like your new avatar S.Earl Martin, it's always great to see Pagan symbols :-)
Pray tell, what does that pagan symbol mean?
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 02:19:25 AM »
I think psyco mommy was trying to be funny or a smart ass. That is the same Avatar I have had since I joined and I like it also. It is an ankh an egyptian symbol. It is also used as a celtic cross in some cases. 
Time is all we really have.

We do not own the earth. We are borrowing it from our children.

Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 02:38:33 AM »
You correctly identify I can be a smart ass, I wasn't being funny though. Except it is funny (strange) that I've only just noticed it, and now I realise it's probably because I've been researching ancient Egypt these days and it's likely to be an unconscious association.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 02:56:22 AM »
So what about all this stuff about the light and darkness at war etc. ( We are supposed to maintain the topic of the thread) I tend to wander all over the place personally.
I like the anology about beauty versus I prefer the word plain over ugly. However Some people would look at a wild plant and say that it is ugly or a weed. A rose on the other hand they would find beautiful. To me both are beautiful in their own way because they both serve a purpose. So that said I believe that you could have an existance of total light or total darkness. It would however depend on how you define light and darkness. Peace
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Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2011, 11:05:16 AM »
In this instance, light and dark are arbitrary attributions to a given phenomenon. They are, intrinsically, both relative and subjective.

There are two symmetrical dichotomies which exist, dualities and polarities. Dualities are clear cut opposites such as man and woman, peanut butter and jelly, etc.. Polarities, on the other hand, are things which can resolve into each other. E.g., hot and cold are polarities as there is really no cold, just absence of heat; as a temperature of 100 degrees fahrenheit begins to decline we will eventually be able to call it cold; what has really changed regarding its nature, save for degree?  (Quantity, not quality.)  Polarities resolve into what I call the "Zero Point." The Zero Point is the perfect equilibrium of the two forces. Light attenuates into darkness and the point where the distinction is nullified is the 0.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2011, 03:07:32 PM »
Well put Pert-5. That is what I was thinking, but couldn't find the words.
Time is all we really have.

We do not own the earth. We are borrowing it from our children.

Is that what you really think? 

How many ignorant people does it take to destroy a planet?

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2011, 06:27:13 AM »
I am in complete agreement about  the so-called "psychics" who profit off of the innocent or naive.
However, what about REAL paranormal occurrences?  Just because your own experiences, or your own schooling don't prepare you for something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Unless, of course, you are so arrogant to assume you are "All Knowing". 

My question is, what do you ,personally,think of the studies of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross? Ian Stevenson? Brian Weiss? Or are their theories & studies too far outside your comfort zone, or have you been indoctrinated to believe there is nothing new under the sun?


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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2011, 07:21:36 AM »
However, what about REAL paranormal occurrences?
The fact that you need to give deference really just gives chance to pause.  To whom was this whole post referring? 
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