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« on: November 21, 2009, 03:01:18 AM »

Hi, I have been doing much research on various touchy subjects such as Religion, Politics, Economics, Psychology, Philosophy, Culture and race.  Believe me, you come across several personalities when you study these types of subjects.  Now I'm not trying to label anyone, but over the course of years, I have come across two main personality types.

Type A Personality:
Base all their opinions and thoughts on an established ideology.  Be it a religious Denomination, Political Party, Corporate ideology, Cultural group, ect.  
Usually cling to the opinions and thoughts of the leader of the establishment.  They are most often thought of as being rigid, over Dogmatic, or close minded.
They often lead an ethical life, nice to others, do not lie, steal, cheat, hurt or kill.  In religion, they often take religious texts as laid out clear and blunt(Fundamentalism).  They are found in all religions, be it Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, ect.  They are known for seeing religion as Black and White.  Usually these are found in Pentecostal, Evangelical, Baptist and Fundamentalist Denominations of Christianity.  Not all of them, but very common in these denominations.  To a lesser extent, they can be found in mainstream Christianity, such as Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Eastern Orthodox, and Presbyterians.  Typically they have a high focus on everything based on either Heaven=being with them, and Hell=Not in their group.  Often shows rigidity towards bible standards, and the leaders of that particular Church.  I have found them also with Politics, where people show full obedience towards the government, no matter what injustices they commit, along with showing strong loyalty and support of the government, no matter what they do.  Also seen in ideologies based on other controversial subjects etiquette, feminism, Culture, Race, economics, business, certain aspects of zoology, ect.  I have noticed them to perform social behaviors such as criticising others personal lives, on stuff that is really not their concern, such as what religion they follow, their political offiliation, their parenting style, their cultural habits, the way they dress, what they eat, what they read, what sports they play, and morally neutral behaviors.  Just so you know, the religious and political examples were just examples of beliefs someone with this personality would carry.  Sorry for the extremely vast description.

Type B Personality:
Base their opinions and thought on their own experience, and more based on Independent thought, than established ideologies.  They are often passionate about their beliefs, and other times laid back about their opinions.  They however do not claim that they know everything, and have an open mind towards those who think differently than them.  In religion, they look at their religious texts for deeper meaning, and if they disagree with a religious leader, no problem, they are entitled to an opinion, just as I am, and I am not obliged to except their opinion.  Often see value in other religions, and are not necessarily interested in converting them.  Some even participate and interact with other religions.  They usually live a moral life, not lieing, cheating or stealing, killing or hurting others.  They are the type who in politics do not support the government if they do not agree with their actions, usually for making decisions that do not benefit everyone.  Typically do not interfere with other peoples personal lives, such as religion, political offliation, culture, parenting style, how they dress, what they eat, ect.  The only time they interfere is if someone is performing a serious injustice, such as child abuse, opression of the poor, unfair laws, discrimination, vandalism, ect.  

Claims Personality A vs. others who do not agree with them, including personality B
-They are under the influence of the Devil
-They have no idea what they are talking about
-They are no different than saying that 2+2=5
-They are just plain out rude
-They are disgusting
-They are uneducated and Stupid

Claims Personality B agianst Personality A
-Close Minded
-Arrogant
-Biggoted
-Nosy
-Pushy
-Uneducated

Okay.  So, to the Psychological aspect, I have seen claims made agianst both People, with psychological explainations that could possibly support both sides.

Personality A vs. Personality B.

1. People cannot handle the truth.  So, instead of accepting the truth, they make up their own truth.

2. Deep down, these people know the truth, and what group holds the truth.  However, they are stuck in their own mindset and cannot or do not want to break away from their beliefs, but know their belief is wrong.  So, they are really jealous of the ones that hold the truth, and instead call the people who hold the truth as arrogant, and close minded for claiming they know the truth.  

Personality B vs. Personality A

1. Some people have High ego's, and feel the need to be superior to others, so they are drawn to any established ideologies that cater to them personally, by making them feel like they know the whole truth.

2. These kinds of people have trouble thinking and reasoning, so they have someone who does all the reasoning for them.  During this time, the leader of the established organization,(Church, workplace, Government, school,) rewards those who show full loyalty to them.  (Getting a raise for not taking time off, being praised for excepting established thought of a religious cult, getting perfect attendance for no sick absense from school), and see those who do not go by rigid ideologies being punished.(ex. Seeing someone getting reprimanded for refusing to accept certain religious beliefs, getting arrested for speaking out agianst the government, getting fired for requesting time off.)  They are rewarded for obedience, but see those who are disobedient to their ideologies being punished.

3. In their unconscious mind, they know that their way is not the only way, and that they are not necessarily right.  However, they have been conditioned into thinking they are right, and only they alone are right. But are burdened by the responsibility to the so called truth they carry, such as obedience to the leader, and really unpleasant and unreasonable opinions that are hard to choke down.  However, unconsciously, they are jealous of those who can make decisions, and reason stuff out on their own, and see them enjoying their life unburdened by the responsibilities of the so called truths they carry.  So, unconsciously, they desire making others miserable as them, but consciously, they claim that by pushing their ways on others, they are compelled to inform the others where they are ignorant, even if they have to force their ways on others.(ex. A strict Fundamentalist Christian group tells its members that certain behaviors such as wearing comfortable clothing, playing with other kids outside the church, cinema, rock music, dancing and drinking lead to eternal torment, they are miserable by the restrictions and the fear they carry, however, deep down they know that deep down, their restrictions are irrational, so they become jealous of those who are allowed to do those things.  However, deep down, they want everyone else to be as miserable as them, so they try to convert everyone else who is not in their church, or make everyone else miserable who refuses to except their teachings, such as harassing them.)

4. They have anxiety disorder, but never were diagnosed properly.  However, when they do become scared, they are put under the impression that their fear is indicating that they have been given grave "knowledge", and unless they except this knowledge, and do as they are demanded, their fears automatically disappear.  However, they cannot escape their anxiety, which they are told that they cannot just fluff off their newfound knowledge, and that there is no turning back.  People with anxiety Disorder are conditioned to fear when there is no real threat.  In someone without anxiety, they would only fear that which is actually a real threat.  Ex. You are in a house that is on fire, so the only logical thing to do is to depart the house, or you're screwed.  However, with anxiety disorder, they are under the impression that there is a constant threat.  However, these victims believe they are under some type of real threat, and the leader who has the power over them has convinced them that they have to be obedient towards the ideologies of that establishment, or they are screwed.  However, the truth is that they are anxious, which makes them believe they are under realistic threats, but really are under the idea that there really is a threat.  So, they hand over reasoning and logic to the one who supposedly can protect them from the threat.  

5. Since they are following under the leadership of some other established ideology, these ideas are not their ideas, so if they are wrong, they are not responsible for inventing these ideologies, and therefore not responsible for being wrong.  Like a person who has their thoughts based on their own understanding, they know that they are responsible for their opinions, and if they are wrong, they only have theirselves to blame, so they dont claim their opinion as dogmatic.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2009, 03:02:17 AM »

I am just interested in a little insight on this subject.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 03:39:14 PM »

neither group has the truth
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 06:17:43 AM »

neither group has the truth
Could you explain what you meant?
Im a little confused.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 08:24:13 AM »

maybe i misunderstood, your op is not really about truth is it?
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 06:45:18 PM »

my appologies for giving short and meaningless answers, just that there has been loads of work done on type A type B personlaities, but your post did not seem to fit with any of that work.

there is a personlaity test here http://www.psych.uncc.edu/pagoolka/TypeA-B-intro.html

do you think there are other personality types?

which of these do you think you might be closest to?

how come you have so much information about B and so little about A?
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2009, 09:33:20 PM »

i think when we comparing personality preferences like this, it's like comparing a banana with an apple...wouldn't it be ridiculous when a banana told that apple is bad because it's red and in turn an apple told that banana is ridiculous because it's yellow ?
the point is...it's a matter of preference...we can't blame apple for being red...that would be foolish

correct me if i'm wrong...but i feel that you not stand on neutral stance over this matter..
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 06:21:32 AM »

You can name a personality dimension anything you want so why Type A and Type B.  It's better if you label them in a way that a person can get a sense of what each is referring to.  Type A seems to be a Closed type and Type B seems to be more Open. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 01:14:38 AM »

Jtalia, you have divided people into types based on your response to their response to you.

Your answers will be found in why.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 05:42:04 AM »

all people are close minded.  they seek few things one of the main things being self gain.  this is one of the only importances in a persons life. to obtain this anything and everything is expendable.  they will deny it they will refuse reality.  they will bring self destruction to their home.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 09:28:11 PM »

thinkingprocess, it sounds like you may be speaking of neurosis.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2010, 03:29:21 AM »

I simply have stated human behavior. human nature.  If you wish to put a name to it then do so.  I do not believe what i spoke of to be a disorder of any sort simply the way all people's personality's are.  Even if they do not show it easily.  If forced this personality will surface on any person
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2010, 07:49:02 AM »

Trying to categorize over six billion human minds into two absolute categories is rather foolhardy. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2010, 02:12:35 PM »

all people are close minded.  they seek few things one of the main things being self gain.  this is one of the only importances in a persons life. to obtain this anything and everything is expendable.  they will deny it they will refuse reality.  they will bring self destruction to their home.
quite ironic that this statement is in itself a closed minded if not extremely narrow view of human nature.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2010, 07:08:22 AM »

the statement its self proves its accuracy.  We'll see how far people will go.
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2010, 11:04:16 AM »

So basically, you've studied the world and found that there are "good people" and "bad people." This is very interesting. Based on your report, I recommend killing or forcibly reeducating everyone who is Type A for being obviously inferior.
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 07:50:59 PM »

all people are close minded.  they seek few things one of the main things being self gain.  this is one of the only importances in a persons life. to obtain this anything and everything is expendable.  they will deny it they will refuse reality.  they will bring self destruction to their home.

Jtalia, take a note from thinking process, and study human nature. we are all one big bunch of weasels lol
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 01:38:58 AM »

People are who they are by the way we act and feel. Personality tests are often very inaccurate. If you really want to know someone, you need to look at there character, anointing, and skills. By having (CAS) this will give them the necessary skill set to improve their life, to have a purpose in life, and also move in various positions if they would like to. You as others have said just divided humans into people groups by various "good" or "bad" traits.

There is a ton of information out there on Type A and Type B personalities. I am not a fan that one has to fall into these categories thus far.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2010, 02:23:49 AM »

SWM should give me mod powers so I can ban idiot spammers like this ^
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