HUMANISTIC CONCEPTION ESSAY

[barbara123]

PLEASE, PLEAS, PLEAAAAASEEE!!!!
I would really appreaciate Your help!
I am supposed to write an essay about the FREEDOM in humanistic psychology conception but I am stuck! It's supposed to be about 4 pages A4 but I have almost run out of ideas and have only 1 page! ;(
I'm begging You for Your help!
I have completely no idea how can I write so much about man's freedom?

[SWM]

when does this essay need to be completed?

[barbara123]

I have to put it in on Monday 29th November ...
I am asking for help because I only have the Psychology class as obligatory but additional course - it's not what I'm majoring in and that's why I have so much trouble with it :/ ...

[voodoo scientist]

Why don't you just read more about humanistic psychology?

[barbara123]

I did but everything is more like a definition of it, when it developed, who brought it out - not much about man's freedom... And I'm also not to good when it comes to writing essays... :/

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'Freedom in humanistic psychology' can you write exactly what your assignment is.
Personally I would say 'Freedom in humanistic psychology is an illusion'.. we are led to believe we are 'free' but we are in fact slaves to the monetary system.

However a search of this term yeilds Carl Rogers who is the father of 'person centered counselling'.. which is about 'self actualisation'.. If this is what your asignement is about, counselling, then Research Carl Rogers.

[barbara123]

exact topic is 'Which famous conception of human being describes a man as being free?' and I am supposed to write only about one so I've chosen humanistic because others don't sound like freedom at all to me...

and we are slaves only to the monetary system? because i don't get it - why does the humanistyc conception estimates that it focuses around humans freedom when there is the hierarchy piramid and we need to satisfy some needs from it <--- it doesn't really sound like a freedom.

can anyone explain it to me?

[SWM]

are we really slaves to the monetary system, is there no choice but to slave within this system?

for those individuals that live in western society we do have a responsibility to support ourselves. we do this by working for a living. well, some of us do at least.

other creatures have to support themselves and work for their living also, did you ever notice how hard bees or ants work to support themselves and their communities.


could it be argued then that being alive is to be a slave to the maintenance of ones own life?

[voodoo scientist]

Without getting into specific arguments, maybe your problems are your base assumptions.

For instance, are you sure freedom can be explained positively? If so, freedom is probably best described as an active component of a person, like a muscle to be trained (Rogers and Maslow would be your best references here). It could also be explained negatively, however, such as the absense of all or certain environmental or cognitive factors, like a disease to be cured in order to gain full function (evolutionary and cognitive-behavioral angles would both be acceptable here). It could also involve both together, or there could be two or more parallel functions creating what we call 'freedom' in common-sense terms either as the sum or more than the sum of those functions' parts (involving several theories).

There is no meaningfully definitive evidence one way or the other, so you're essentially free to pick and choose. The correct answer is thus, unfortunately, most likely the one that closest approximates your professor's own stance. This is a pretty bad assignment from a scientific point of view, so this must be about learning to write essays or something of that nature.

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@SWM re: monetary system. You may find this documentary movie interesting, I'm not into economics or banking but this movie gets fascinating from 15mins onwards and answers a lot of questions I had ie: why one country is dying from obesity when another country is dying from starvation. Why people are horrible... Stick with it, it's a whole 2 hour movie but well worth watching. And you'll understand barbara's reference to 'pyramids'.. it's EYE opening. 



"There is no one more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" Goeth.

The exact question ask "which famous conception" maybe f "human nature" but I don't know, sorry, it's a bit unspecific or something I'm not learned in.
 

[SWM]

do you really believe you are not free? then what does freedom mean? do you have no choices?

i imagine the famous conception that is alluded to in the question would be free will.

"There is no one more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

falsely believe is very different to believe

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that was a statement from Goethe.
You need to watch the movie.
Let me put it this way. We have been socially engineered just like Hitler engineered Nazi Germany. Those Germans too would have believed they were free. I'm sure muslims believe they are free. If you believe something, you believe it, therefore it's real, only the observer knows it's false.

You say, quote "for those individuals that live in western society we do have a responsibility to support ourselves. we do this by working for a living. well, some of us do at least"

You believe we have a responsiblity to support ourselves... WHY?
and you believe this is done by working. WHY?
You only believe this because you are a slave to the monetary system. And have been socially engineered to believe this. Those tribes in jungles don't have money, they don't look after themselves, they look after each other.
And you say "well, some of us do at least" implying there is a difference in the people who work and the people who don't, you have made a distinction WHY? again you believe this because of the monetary system.
 
Personally I would say a person who DOESN'T work is more free than those who do. Because they're not slave to the system, but take advantage of it, perhaps? The government make us believe people who don't work are lesser than those who do, but it's just propaganda and social engineering of values, which have been corrupted with the monetary system.

I hope you spare a few hours to watch the movie, it's good.

[SWM]

unfortunately I don't have a spare few hours. I am employed full time. 37.5 hours a week. I am self employed. and I am studying for an MSc , with an exam  in 2 weeks. a few hours is not easy to come by.


to your misinterpretation of Goethe's quote, if those who believe they are free were the most enslaved who would be the least enslaved? those who believe they are enslaved. this would mean that every body who had an opinion on thier own freedom or slavery would be part of that system and the only people who escaped Goethe's vision of slavery were those who by default had no belief in their respective freedom or slavery. if those who run or own the system of slavery would also believe they were free and by this magical process would be a slave due to having the belief they were free. it's a fallacy. it might be a convenient political view point for those who can't be bothered to take responsibility for their own lives, but its a fallacy.

unless you take what Goethe actually said in which case its not much of a revelation "those who falsely believe"

some statements of false beliefs from me.
"the man who falsely believes somebody else will come and put food on his table will go hungry"
"the man who falsely believes he has a car will have an unexpected walk and be late to work"

If I did not work I would be dependent on state handouts. somebody else would be responsible for feeding, clothing and housing me. those tribes in the jungle that you mention, have to eat, clothe themselves and build and maintain shelter. those actions are called working. catching animals to eat or farming vegetation is working, building fires to cook and provide warmth is working, protecting the tribe from dangers is working. those who choose not contribute to this work are parasitic scavengers. and if the tribe takes responsibility for them it is to the detriment of the community.

if you lived in a community and refused to contribute to the welfare of that community, you believe that taking advantage of the people that do contribute makes you better than them because you have more time to yourself. in this community you are a parasite to those people that you require to be responsible for feeding and supporting you.

you believe people who can work but choose not to should have the right to be supported by the labour of others?

[SWM]

@barbara
the title 'Which famous conception of human being describes a man as being free?' refers to free will.

your essay is about "free will" not humanistic psychology free will is a famous concept related to freedom that has caused long standing debates among psychologists and philosophers.

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SWM it's just so interesting that you and I can view the same material yet derive such opposite meanings.
Goethe was associated with the Adam Weishaup and the illuminati who had their agenda for society.
'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free' can relate to democracy. People in democracy are alluded to believe they are free, but they are not. As I've talked of above, and as you yourself confirm.

Stalin said "The production of minds is more important than the production of tanks, and I raise my glass to you, the writers, the engineers of the human mind"...

As for work, the monetary systems ensures that there will always be competition for work, there will always be unemployed people. A Tesco just opened near me and 1400 people applied for 60 jobs. There are many reasons people are unemployed but ultimately there will always be unemployed people because it's built into the monetary system. Which is better living on benefits of £65 a week and not having to work a mundane job, but not be able to buy both heating and food, or working a mundane job to eat & be warm & buy a holiday once a year? Who's more free, was my point. And as you say you work full time and don't have 2 hours to spare, well maybe that confirms my point. If you are studying also I wonder if you are studying to better your knowledge, or better your career, if it's the latter, then you are most definitely a slave to the monetary system. We all are, some of us just know it and others just deny it.

Barbara chose the 'humanistic' to answer the question. Maybe you are stressed with all that you have on, but I will just add finally:
In challenging ones belief system usually results in insult, being proved wrong is associated with failures, WHEN IN FACT, being proved wrong should be celebrated because it's elevating someone to a new level of understanding and furthering awareness.
But as we don't value knowledge we take offence.
Good luck with the exam.

[SWM]

Food, clothes and shelter is the base of Maslow's heireachy, you say that we are slaves to the monetary system but we are slaves to our lives. Being alive and surviving is a full time job unless you are a parasite and you live of the work of others. We have to eat and shelter, Manna bread does not fall from the skies anymore.

Which is better living on benefits of £65 a week and not having to work a mundane job, but not be able to buy both heating and food, or working a mundane job to eat & be warm & buy a holiday once a year?

This is a choice that people will have to make. This is a choice people will make based on their own values. with both options there are benefits and sacrifices. both choices will provide different opportunity.  I have had this choice in my life more than once. I have worked for minimum wage and I have worked voluntarily. I have been unemployed and refused to look for work choosing to laze about and do drugs. however, because i have worked hard i will never have to make that choice again. i can work self employed with the skills that i have.

Who's more free, was my point. And as you say you work full time and don't have 2 hours to spare, well maybe that confirms my point.

This is my choice. I can make these choices because I can afford to study. I could stay at home and read books if I wanted to but I have that choice.  I could turn down private work if wanted to, I have the choice. I choose to work these hours because my services are in demand. That to me is freedom having choices.  While my basic needs are met without any consideration. I never have to worry about food, clothes or shelter. the choices that i make now give me greater opportunity in the future. maybe by a second home in Cumbria, or a farm in Wales. these are choices i can make in the future because of the choices i make now.

If you are studying also I wonder if you are studying to better your knowledge, or better your career, if it's the latter, then you are most definitely a slave to the monetary system. We all are, some of us just know it and others just deny it.

As above, I study in an area that I am interested in, I sell my services for money, these are my choices.

Barbara chose the 'humanistic' to answer the question.

yes, I know,  I was saying that she has missed the point of her essay title. This is an essay about free will. “Famous conception of freedom” it is free will!  

Maybe you are stressed with all that you have on, but I will just add finally:

Big assumption, I have been working at this capacity for a couple of years now. It keeps me from getting bored.

In challenging ones belief system usually results in insult, being proved wrong is associated with failures, WHEN IN FACT, being proved wrong should be celebrated because it's elevating someone to a new level of understanding and furthering awareness.
But as we don't value knowledge we take offence.

I don’t take offence to being proved wrong, I will graciously concede when I am proved wrong. Nothing  you have said is proving anything new to me. I have seen this attitude before, I have held this attitude myself when I was younger.

Good luck with the exam.

Thanks

[gone]

:-) ok
Make a note of the film: Zeitgheist Addendum the full movie & try & watch sometime after your exams.
And let me know when you get your place in Wales or Cumbria as I'm the middle & will pop round for a brew and annoy you in person instead of annoying you in writing.

[SWM]

I am in the middle of them too. going to Cumbria this weekend. I dont think ill be watching that film though.

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In that case you can call here for a brew and I'll put the movie on for you to watch :-) While I go to the pub.. hehe.. Are you my neighbour?
Do you know, I realise I don't even know if you're male or female. I read your text as both as weird as that sounds. You could be either. I don't want to know actually I quite like that you're a bit hermaphrodite to me.


I'm just winding you up. You most welcome anytime.

[SWM]

if your name is joan or shirley then you may well be my neighbour. i'll pop round tonight.

[voodoo scientist]

By definition, no human being can be a slave to a system, whether that system is "life" or "money." Slavery implies mutual moral agency and concept of ownership, which systems cannot have in the sense that human beings can. They are patterns of events and conditions we react to.

In challenging ones belief system usually results in insult, being proved wrong is associated with failures, WHEN IN FACT, being proved wrong should be celebrated because it's elevating someone to a new level of understanding and furthering awareness.
But as we don't value knowledge we take offence.

This has to be the most ironic thing I can remember reading on these forums.

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I'm not called, joan or shirley, shame I got some nice coffee in too. When you're passing then eh!

This was about being FREE, to which I think I said we are not free we are slaves to the monetary system. And the SLAVE bit has taken over the topic.

This was in relation to FREE THOUGHT. As a few people run the monetary system and a few more shape society. Are we not slaves to the conditioning they imposed upon us. As it was people who designed the 'Patterns of events and conditions we react to'.


The quote, you quoted that I quoted is a famous Jaques Fresco one. Jaques Fesco is a Social Engineer (social engineers engineer society, just like a mechanical engineer makes a machine to perfom the way they want, social engineers makes society perform the way they want.
I'm usually quick to condemn those who use quotes without the named quoter, as I myself have had enough of my original works both stolen and plagiarised. But I wasn't sure of his last name & just got too lazy. However I think it's true. I've seen many arguments erupt when one tells another they're wrong. They don't say 'Thanks for telling me I was wrong, they're more likely to say 'Fuck off you tw@t' and throw a punch..

But voodoo surely you misspelled ironic for iconic. Surely any intelligent person knows that an iconic sentence. I'm sure too you're not going to get defensive and deny that, but instead thank me for proving your spelling wrong.
 

[voodoo scientist]

I don't appreciate your attempt to manipulate a valid topic of discussion. If the original poster requires anything else, I'll gladly respond.

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hehe you do make me laugh voodoo :-)

[SWM]

i have come across some inforamtion that is very interesting related to this topic brought up by psychomother.

slavery in modern day

according to this information if you are born in the US, UK or Canada (maybe some other countries, i dont know) you will probably have a birth certificate. this birth certificate certifies your countries ownership of you and your binding to that countries law.

there are some very interesting ramification with this.

read more about it here

ttp://www.freedomrebels.co.uk/Home::what_is__a_freeman.html

[SWM]

loosely following the freeman movement and i am still trying to make sense of the implications of this movement.

here is a video in which freemen arrest a jduge for treason and contempt of court.

[gone]

I can't remember this post, althouth I wrote in it. What happened to voodoo? And did you ever watch that movie Zeitgeist?
I've been thinking how different the world would be if 'creative' people instead of 'corporate' people ran the world. The only way this would happen & create a more farer humanistic world would be if creative people took control of the banking system, but that's unlikely to happen because bankers are wankers and that's why the monetary system is so unfair.

[pixx]

Free people do not need to discuss freedom.

[SWM]

Voodoo has been about. just not posting. if you look at his profile i think you should be able to see when he was last on line.

i think that creative people should take control of their own lives and help and inspire people to take control of thier own lives and leave the bankers to fuck each other over.

the Zeigest movement is a neatly packaged propoganda tool of communism. one organisation owning and controllling all of the worlds resources and allocating resources to the people of the society.

the zeigest movies point out the problems with free market capitalism and offer their solution which is global communism.

[pixx]

This is not first time I am noting a "fear" of communism in America. I wander why it is so? What is so "scary" of having it?

As a matter of the observation the population control methods used in high communism in Russia is no different than population control in America. This is my personal observation thus it is open for all sorts of crticisms. I think comunism in America have just another name "community" but methods and propaganda (public relations are just the same. People are people, they need to live in some organisation. By 21st century we shall be thinking about different approaches and overgrow limits set in 19 century that portraits komunism and kapitalism as antagonistic ideas. We shall be in my opinion striving to find more creative, more open, and more happy society. Giving brain wash speech either about communism or capitalism - is not helpful - both of them are failure both in their own way.