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Need help with immature family member
« on: July 17, 2009, 06:58:37 AM »
I’m desperately seeking advice on how to remedy a serious problem in my family. This directly involves my brother and his now-wife. For starters, my brother and his wife are both very immature, something my entire family and friends observe and agree on; my brother is emotionally dependent on his wife while she seems to enjoy having him on a leash, exploiting him and taking advantage of his paycheck but not respecting him.

They have been together since high school. They moved in together and eventually had two children. He kept asking her to marry him over the years and she kept holding off. They’ve bickered, shouted on the phone, and had child-like problems all throughout these years. In early 2007, she convinced him to leave her and the kids and move back in with his parents because, not being married yet, they were “living in sin” as her religion would claim.  For many months, he continued paying their mortgage and financially supporting them while not living with them, thinking she would let him move back in and that they would marry. She held off marriage with ever-changing lies, and I knew she didn't want to marry him at all. By October ‘07, after constant frustrated phone tagging, she suddenly claimed that he was violent toward her and that he gave their kids nightmares. My family finally drew a line and decided that for Christmas we wanted to see his kids, whom she is extremely possessive of, without her. The day before Christmas, however, she conveniently filed a restraining order on my brother, preventing us from seeing them.

A legal ordeal ensued with my mom helping my dependent brother and driving him to court. We were granted some occasional visits from the kids and had to videotape them to prove they do not fear their father and in fact love him. During this time, his wife (then-ex-girlfriend) told the legal therapist many lies of how they had nightmares of their father. She also wished to home school them, which the doctor refused. Her manipulation prevented us from seeing the kids for several months. My brother finally saw them in the psychology office and burst into tears. His wife, who clearly seemed to be trying to wipe their dad’s existence from their lives, tried to physically restrain them from seeing him as he cried in this occasion.

By fall that year (2008), she suddenly wanted to talk to my brother and they decided to get back together, frustrating, alienating, and worrying my family for what would happen. At this point, my family despised her and did not forgive her. She also never apologized to anyone, including my brother, for any wrongdoing and held to the idea that he was violent but that all the previous trouble was so she could 'cure' him. She removed the restraining order and within mere weeks, they planned to marry. Early the following year (2009), they married and began living together in an apartment (they couldn’t afford the house). I knew this would only cause more pain for them, the rest of my family, and their kids.

I was right; after two months, she abandoned him in a parking lot and after frustrated arguing, he threw a knife at a tree. He did not harm her but, in his childish anger, gets into movie-like drama and behaves foolishly. She then filed a second restraining order on him. He willingly moved back in with my family in May while she stayed in their apartment, but she now lives with a friend. Their $600 rent, for an apartment that no one inhabits, is being paid by him and he only has $40 to himself a week, willingly giving the rest to his wife. She has access to his bank account and will no doubt continue exploiting him. I’ve heard my brother loudly sob and beg her on the phone, but then she limited communication to writing letters. He clearly hopes that she will take him back and would even sob on the phone to his friends. My family knows this is crap and that they do not belong together regardless of having kids. I have not seen my niece or nephew since Easter and miss them. My delusional brother, however, blocks out any comments or advise my mom gives yet is spineless toward his wife. It’s as though he’s holding out, thinking he will prove everyone wrong and that she will take him back. Yet no one agrees with him, including his closest friends; even his in-laws, who have a notorious history of thievery and questionable sanity, think his wife/their daughter is not mentally stable and have not been able to see the kids either.

We privately blame him just as much as her for not being able to see my niece and nephew and I become very angry just thinking about this mess. Over these last couple years I’ve greatly lost touch with my brother due to his childishness and disrespect. Everything about the situation is painful. I'm the younger brother and I know he hates the idea that I have better judgment than him, so regardless of my logic, he wants to block it out. Though I know it would be hard, I feel like my family needs to practically force him into an intervention. He needs to grab the reigns of his money first, then take action on his kids. If nothing is done this situation will only become much worse before my brother finally reacts and becomes defensive of her exploitation of him. She will try to take everything from him that she can.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 07:12:25 AM by aldie »

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Re: Need help with immature family member
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2009, 08:53:44 PM »
hi,
your asking for adivce to remedy a serious problem, however there are many problems in this story. you probably realise yourself that this is more complex than just one problem.

it is difficult to know where to begin with this. i imagine you have found your self thinking about what to do in this situation and you just dont know where to begin.

having a clear goal that is realistical and achievable is often a good place to start when there is a complex problem such as this. what might be a realistic and achievable goal that we could help you to work on here?

what changes would you like to see in this situation? how would you like things to be? having a definite aim gives you a focus and as you begin to change one aspect other aspect will also change (hopefully for the good)

to help you identify what you want you to do, think of what will be easy to change and what will bring the most improvement to the situation. or what is causing the most distress and is amenable to changing?

example, trying to change your sister in law, would be an extremely difficult task even though the consequences might be the most desirable. so that would not be a good place to start.

what do you think?
And the  LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as  one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2009, 09:40:56 AM »
First off, thank you, SWM, for even reading even half of my lengthy post and responding to it.

I've research online a bit but haven't found anything helpful to my strategy; it's all just self-help stuff. I'm leaning toward the idea of a family intervention with my brother. Tonight I spoke about this to our other brother, whom I get along with well and consider a close friend, and he understood my thinking. We could perhaps go about this by making broad observations and asking him questions with obvious, and virtually unarguable answers. These would all lead toward the same conclusion that, instead of being submissive and kiss-ass, my brother needs to take defense against his wife in claiming back his own money and ability to see his children. Questions and observations would include:

- Do you recognize that your entire family and your closest friends all share overwhelming disdain for your wife and what she has done to you, your kids, and us? How can you justify loving someone immersed in such strong notoriety by everyone you care about and everyone who cares for you?  Do you also recognize her total lack of remorse or apology over all the pain she has caused us?

- Do you recognize that, in 2008, you wife attempted to rid you from the lives of herself and your own children by lying in court, lying to a psychologist, and lying to the children themselves? How is the current situation different or improved from what occurred in that time period?

- When the two of you were indefinitely split in summer 2008, and you spoke of her in foul curses, what was truly going through your mind and what feelings did you hold inside? Do you see how this harsh resentment combined with your spontaneous reuniting with her badly damaged your integrity?

- How can you justify never again speaking to or even confronting your best friend for an allegedly betraying act on his part while the woman who caused you more pain than anyone in your entire life is the one person you relentlessly love and regard more than anyone?

- Do you recognize that the judgment of your family and friends has been overall highly accurate over this situation in these past several years and that our cautions have held true? Do you recognize that your wife holds a role of dominance over you and that this theme has held strong for several years?

- Do you recognize that over the past eight years, even prior to having children, the two of you have frequently bickered and argued in ways our parents never would in their 30+ plus years of marriage? What makes you think this will ever change? And can you name one couple that has gone through the vast, brutal feuding that you two have and come out of it to live a happy life together afterward?


My thinking is, if he strongly believes in his delusional position, he should be able to support it verbally. Many of his answers would probably fall into the helpless gutter of "I just do," which we would note as forfeit responses and assert that he give a tangible answer. I should note that he recognizes in some form that his wife is not entirely sane but that he also has mental hinders himself. This all seems to fall into an futile idea that they can mentally improve and reunite, which I find untrue.
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Re: Need help with immature family member
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2009, 10:09:34 AM »
hi aldie,
although long your posts are well considered and well written. so thanks for that.

i am not going to say that what you plan to do is right or wrong, just consider carefully a few things about what you are planning to do. you may have even considered this already yourself.

thinking about interactions within a relationship ship such as the one you are planning above,  it may be useful to think about the following:

what do i want to achieve by confronting this person?

how likely is my plan going to be in achieving that?

what possible reactions might the other person have when being confronted?

how might this person feel to hear these things?


it would be useful to see what you think about the above questions
And the  LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as  one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 06:16:55 PM »
I agree that I need to consider those aspects. Sensitivity and particular wording could be argued, but overall, I do feel these questions need to be proposed to him in some form.

I'm also very fed up with his disrespect, particularly toward our mom. My family is not religious, but my brother is now heavily into religion because of his loony wife who has even used it against him (kicking him out of his house). My mom told told me a few days ago that he told her it sometimes makes him "sick to his stomach" that she is without religion in her life. Clearly he doesn't see the irony in this - that our lives are just fine without religion, except for the garbage taking place with him and his wife, the religious people. Yet he feels we for some odd reason need to "get with God" as if he knows what's best for us. Plus, my mom grew up in religion and has come to see over several decades that she doesn't need it. Many people use religion to fit their psychological needs/wants, and he seems to be using it to create some 'spiritual connection' to his wife who, in reality, does not love him or even respect him. And that is what's truly sickening to the stomach.

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 07:51:22 PM »
are you angry with him?



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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2010, 06:47:57 PM »
What was your brother's demeanor like when he was with her compared to now? If he was truly happy with her, then there isnt really much that you will be able to do for him. If he doesnt feel that he needs help, then it will be rather difficult to make him think otherwise. What I suggest to you is have the family go to a psychiatrist. If she has a mental illness, they should be able to pick up on that. At which point, you could take their statement to the courts. Just a thought. What end results are you trying to avoid in this situation? The downside to that idea is if the courts remove the children from her and she retaliates on him or your family. I also echo SWM, what do you truly want to achieve in this situation?

 

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