Neighbor from hell?

[hortonpilot]

Greetings from a new member.

Wondering if this falls in someones area as the anti-social behavior i describe is beyond my understanding in what to do?
But i do think some will recognise the situation.

We have a farm in Australia in a area where many people are related and although i am there nearly each day , we dont live on the property.
Over the last 6 years we have had perhaps 150 sheep stolen despite being id tagged, never a call to say they have strayed.
She has land which has use of far and wide so it is impossible to know where the animals go.
Neighbours say nothing as she is a local girl.
A woman who is publicly notorious for stock theft has caused endless trouble for us in cutting fences , leaving gates open and impounding stock. Nothing you do seems to stop the woman. We have now locked all the gates and this seems to have slowed things down.
The RSPCA has investigated her many times for animal cruelty , she runs 150 horses on land where there is no grass, we have been in drought for the last 10 years.
*Vexatious litigant as well who thrives on conflict that would terrify others.
It is said that she is not happy where there is no conflict.
She grew up in the area and treats all the properties as her own and would come and go as she pleases if the gates were not locked.
Compulsive liar with some knowledge of the law in particular the grey areas.

Recent anti social stuff reached a new level where week old lambs and a calf went missing , taken from their mothers. This is not what normal rural people do and is hard to believe.
Family and her friends of the criminal class, brother been to jail, friends and she has been to court over theft issues.

Overtly sexual person who uses charms to manipulate others to her effect.

She took a dislike to me as stood up to her over matters.

You imagine her life full of conflict and litigation would get on top of her but it seems to give her energy?
How do you deal with these kind of people?

I treat the matter as a game but the stakes get higher and more anti-social as time goes on.
What is the limit for these kind of people and what stops them?

Probably i am dealing with a socio-path!

Any views ?


Regards
Horton
   

[slimshady]

i think is a very serious problem. The mindset of the lady you talked about seems to be very furious and cunning. Also that she's been around for many years and considers the place as her own may be a reason of her being so possessive about everything. What i think is that you should probably take out time from your schedule and spend some days living on the farm. You, accompanied by other villagers will have to strictly keep an eye on everything and try to catch her red handed and make sure she gets suitable punishment for her sins. And this should be done soon, or else i see no stopping her!

[acousticeagle]

Yes, very possible you are dealing with a sociopath - they have no conscience, shame or guilt - and they can use sex to get their way. I have to agree with Slimshady - the woman you describe thinks she owns the place. It's possible this woman has accomplices to help her in stock theft, and I would definitely trust your instincts on your doubts about this woman.

How do you 'beat' her? That's a hard one. For if she has accomplices then you're up against more than one person.

I'm also Australian and I lived on the edge of the outback NSW for a couple of years. My ex and I moved up there and some people who were managing a property offered to store some of our stuff for us. By the time we moved into a house and fetched our stuff from these people, we found that certain items had gone missing. The woman who I know stole the items was the most cunning person -sly to the extreme. I realised that she put people in a position of trust to therefore take advantage.

I don't know how you are going to beat this person except to make sure your stock is tagged and the police are notified. You could also keep vigilance and get some photographice evidence (ie set up a 'sting').

Yes, I know how it is - some 'hillbillies' are cunning. I wish you all the best at stopping this crime.

[hortonpilot]

acousticeagle,

                     thanks, yes it happens ......
To deal with this stuff i need to put in a lot of effort, but if i do nothing it gets worse?
Life energy is better spent but what can you do?

Stock are tagged.
I contacted the Stock Squad earlier this year,Feb. So far nothing, promises of some action but the man is useless. Really it is the limit when you get a email from the police that he will be away for three months, wait til he gets back after xmas.

Put up "No Trespass " signs  as well.
We left the property yesterday evening and as we left found a strange quad-bike using the track in.
 We turned around and followed at a distance only to find it had disappeared thru a track along side the boundary.
We entered our property and parked the car out of view and walked in to find another person scurrying thru the fence out of our place running into the bush! Right next to the "NO Trespass" sign , they would have seen!! Caught red-handed . More than a coincidence , the two as we were leaving?

We asked a neighbor about the quad and they mentioned the property had been sold to the neighbor from hell.
The property was not cheap ,$200,000+  at a time when money is tight.
Wonder if vengence motivates the purchase?


Cheers
Horton.

[hortonpilot]

 Matters get a little worse...........
I put the "No Trespass" signs up and it is for sure people see them. It does change the situation because the law here is that unless you state by sign permission to enter a property is vague or implied.
With the sign you are denying permission to enter.
A while back we returned to the property late in the day and walked in, we found the culprit bolting through the fence into the next door property, running into the bush.
 She had left the property meters from the sign!
What was strange was that it turns out she has bought the block next door , so she could have just stood on her side of the fence?
Guilty about something?
We clearly disturbed her in our property a short distance from the fence and were able to identify her from the back.
We are still waiting for the local copper to get back to us , we contacted him a few times and left messages...........

It is a big concern that our new neighbor is the one who we are having grief with!

Her new property is of some use to her but there is clearly an element of it being in our face and i wonder how much this factors for her?
Is this an element of this type behavior ?

Reading back through the posts i see that revenge and vengeful activities feature with these types of people as being a motivation.
I am not really aware of what i have done to deserve this,20 years back i was accused of taking a hot water service which had something to do with this family that was installed on a house we rented briefly, the property was not even owned by these people.
The brother came round to remove it and i stopped him saying he must see the landlord.
Days later we found it removed and assumed the brother had come back for it.

The woman bailed me up about 15 years ago over the matter and i explained what had happened , but then found that rumors existed i had taken the $40 hot-water service.
I cleared the matter up with another family member , who just said he also had complaints about his sister.

None of this is really important and is at best trivial and petty stuff.
How does one get dragged into these people's world with all their nonsense?

Seems too over the top for someone to spend a couple of hundred thousand to get in my face?


Horton

[Voix_Celeste]

Very unusual case. How is it going lately?

[hortonpilot]

It is an odd case , as i explained about the water heater.....
In true form to the sociopath they get indignant when you defend your position and if you don't you deserve to be walked over.

The loony attitudes , mania , furious energy is all in keeping with one of unsound mind.
So where will it end?

Legal situation is that you must catch the person re-handed, otherwise they deny and you have to prove every single point and have hard evidence that it is a certain person.
police can do very little.

Basic situation is that the criminals have more rights than you!

Latest,
report to police

"Today Saturday 10 July 2010 we arrived out at our block to find that three parked cars within the property had been shot at and vandalised, there seem to be no theft, just the damage from the shots.
We inspected the damage, which had destroyed 3 cars; this consisted of bullet holes to the bodies of the cars, three or four bullet holes per car. In all the cars the windows had been shattered by the bullets, front, side and rear windows, with the exception of one window on the cars on other side of the cars.
All in all it looks like there were about twenty bullets fired.
One car was being registered for the family, now destroyed.
The cars were of some value.

The bullets seem to originated from a common point on the fence line
Some distance away, suggested by the trail left by the bullets in the bodywork of the cars.
When we realised this we headed up to that spot to have a look and noticed there was activity at this spot in the form of tyre tracks from a 4wd and a quad bike.
Along side the fence line is a legal right of way in the form of a roadway/track.
Some time back I had been clearing the fence line and there were fallen wattle across the track which has been unused by vehicles for some time.
The owner of the property Danny McEvoy was aware I was clearing the fence line, per email some months back. The property is on the market for sale or is being put through sale.
Today we noticed that the track has been tidied up by hand and with chainsaws to clear the path.
We followed the vehicle tracks some way was they go to the lower ground on the southern side in the direction of the McEvoy shed and the xxxxxx property.

It is reasonable to think that the shots came from the people who cleared the track since the vehicles were parked in that spot and there was no other obvious activity?
The owner Danny ....... relayed concerns from   xxxxxxxxxx about the fallen wattles earlier in the year.
To date I have heard nothing, no complaint about the fallen wattles and noticed that horses did still use the path.

I have erected Trespass Signs because we have had problems in the past in the from of vandalism which was reported.

The matter is of particular concern to my family as my daughter heard shots this afternoon before dark whilst working near the damage, this upset her greatly.
The safety of my children is a real concern and needs to be looked at.
Issues of who is in possession of a gun and shooting into my property are a real worry to me.
Who in the area owns a high-powered rifle and has the inclination to damage our property?
Are they licensed to own the gun and why don’t they behave in a responsible manner are also good questions?

Can we make some investigations to the cause of these problems and see that they stop?"
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This put the copper in an awkward position where he had to be seen to do something and administer the firearms act.

Offender will just deny.........

Horton

[Voix_Celeste]

Legal situation is that you must catch the person re-handed, otherwise they deny and you have to prove every single point and have hard evidence that it is a certain person.
police can do very little.

Is not possible to install and hide one or more cameras at critical spots?

[hortonpilot]

Yes, next step.

Horton

[acousticeagle]

yes, to catch them in the act via photographic evidence might just be the way to go to put an end to this vindictive person. It's a pity you didn't have a camera at hand the day you saw her exiting from your property near the No Tresspass sign.
It's interesting that she has accused you of stealing, whereas you have perfect innocence and good social conscience. People will accuse others out of the very lack of social concience that they themselves suffer from- that is, people tend to judge others out of their own hypocrisy, measuring the value other people's social consciences out of what they themselves are capable of doing.

Anyway Horton, you have my continued empathy. I've also been on the end of a vilification campaign by a sociopath. Also someone too close to home.

Don't forget the value of doing statutory declarations. You can aver your innocence under fire of false accusation.

[hortonpilot]

acousticeagle,

 as you say how people behave is a reflection of their standards.

The irony of this is i was in town today and someone raced up to me to tell me about the shots that have been heard regularly , 20 shots in a couple of min's , certainly not vermin control.

The irony is that it has been investigated by the police , other matters besides mine and appeared in the local paper.
The local police have appealed for community help.
Almost amusingly some of the older families remain silent but smile about it, all good god lovin' people , the worst hypocrites when they betray all the ideals they pretend to have.
At least you know where you stand ?
Person on the community paper did not want to get involved.

My solicitor mentioned Karma gets all in good time.
I replied that Karma is always very harsh, harsher than the law.

Horton

[hortonpilot]

Last week a local who was care-taking a property was bashed a few times with a iron bar.
The woman apparently got out of the car with the bar and laid into him.
The guy was checking the property for trespass stock which she normally has there, he was clearing the gate-way.
No stock was there , so there was no public danger.

He goes to the local hospital and the to the police and finds she has got in before him, had him charged with assault , she admits he did not touch her but claims falsely he attempted to.
Law is derailed.

Sadly a crim has just to counter claimbefore the victim and the legal process becomes a joke.

Horton

[S. Earl Martin]

People think taking away peoples guns deters crime? Here in the U.S. I have guns and shoot occasionally on my property. Other people who don't have guns have had there places broken into and property vandalised livestock stolen. I don't have that problem. Everyone in my neighbor treats me with respect.
Instead of making stricter gun laws here my state passed a law that allows people to get a license and carry a concealed hand gun. The press and the liberals predicted disaster. Gun fights in the streets and caous. Instead armed robberies, rape and burglaries are all down. They said that every man would run out and get a permit so they could be Rambo. Instead the greatest number of people getting a permit are women. There are numorus accounts of women being attacked walking to there cars or when there house is broken in and they know how to use a gun and have successfully defended themselves. Alot of criminals have left to go to other states with strict gun laws. The evidence shows these states crime rate is going up and the states that allow people to defend themselves rate is going down.

Good luck dealing with the nut job. I had a woman move in down the street who had serious mental problems. She called the police and claimed I was shooting at her house and threatening her children. The SWAT team came out and we had a little discussion about who was in charge. I live in a fortified compound and they didn't want another Waco. I advised them to make sure she was telling the truth before they started something they couldn't finish. After they talked to her they realized she was lieing and arrested her. I haven't had anymore problems since. 

[hortonpilot]

Earl,

there is something in what you say.
Being meek is not the answer.
Sadly the face off and demonstration that you will not be intimidated is what gets results.

My neighbor is a nutter.
Cases of animal neglect and the worst cruelty , strange/very odd behavior.
Any animal of hers we see is in a state of terror if we come close .
All our animals are so calm, we use no dogs , just the kids and calm yarding.

The  nutter who pretends to love animals and went before the courts over her theft of a pig belonging to a young kid , which she won.
Sad who would take an animal from a child?

We have a corrupt local cop, this does not help.

Horton.

[S. Earl Martin]

Yeah, the woman I had to deal with had called the police several times complaining about me shooting. I have lived here almost 30 years. She moves here and doesn't like guns so she decides to try and stop me. The police told her I was not doing anything illegal as long as I wasn't endangering anyone. So she lies to the police and says I am endangering her and her kids. The SWAT team started to hook a chain on my gate and pull it down so they could try and come down my driveway in their armored vechicle. I would have considered that a act of war. I don't have any illegal weapons. Everything I own is legal or I have a permit for it. I am better armed than most police forces and have weapons that would turn that vehicle into a death trap. When they saw one of them pointing at them they retreated. They called me on the phone which is a much better way of handleing the situation.
After they actually checked out her story she admited she lied and she was arrested. They took her kids away and put her in jail. Then she was commited for a Psyc. eval. Which she failed. Some of her relatives took over her place and now she is drugged out of her head all the time. She is either so happy or lithargic. Which is a good thing actually. She was delusional and would screem at her kids all the time. Now she just is docile.

Anyway good luck and stay safe. Earl