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Patronising Friend
« on: July 13, 2008, 06:51:19 PM »
I'm really sorry that this post is so long but please bear with me...

I am a 24 year old woman and I own my own home, with my boyfriend, I hold a steady and respected job, working with young people in a deprived area which involves a lot of social skills and patience.  I have a few really good friends, and I em espeicallly close to some of them in particular.  

 I have been friends with Andrew, whos 27 for six years and his partner, Kevin for just over one year (Kevin is my boyfriends best friend from childhood).  I have always got on well with both of them and until the weekend they were like family to me.  We have shared holidays and have never had a proper disagreement.  Andrew has always been stubborn and will argue black is white.  Boardgames etc always turn into a nightmare because he turns it into an argument if he doesnt get his own way, topical debates also turn nasty with him because he refuses to listen to anyone elses point of view.  I have been able just to ignore this until recently.  I have started to get sick of it, however.  So I have been spending less time with Andrew and Kevin but I have been keeping in touch.  I have been seeing a counsellor for a few weeks to deal with personal problems and feelings of low self worth.  My counsellor says that part of my problem is tht I don't feel that people listen to me.  It makes sense and I think she is right.  

Recently,  I got a text from Andrew saying "you seem to be drinking a lot, remember youre not a teenager anymore".  I was a bit shocked by this because I haven't been drinking much at all.  That weekend I went out on the Friday night to my friend Laura's house and only had soft drinks and on Saturday I was back at Laura's for a party and I had two alcoholic drinks.  Thats all I had the whole week.  Most weeks I don't drink at all.  I calmly explained this to Andrew.  But he refused to listen saying "I went through a stage like you of wanting to have fun all the time but it only leads to trouble, just be careful".  Again I explained that I appreciated his concern but it wasnt needed bcause I had only two alcoholic drinks that weekend. I told him that I was old enough to look after myself and know my limits but that if there ever was a problem he would be the first to know.  Still he refused to listen and kept repeating himself saying "just be careful just be careful".  I was getting irritated by this point because A - I shouldnt have to explain myself to anyone, B its none of his business anyway and C - he wasnt listening.

 The next day I told him I was a bit annoyed at him for not listening but I was assertive and diplomatic, explaining again that I appreciated his concern but I was annoyed at him for not listening and accusing me of acting like a teenager.  He snapped back that I was acting like a teenager again.  It just seemed to snowball.  The next day I got a text from Kevin demanding that we sort this out.  He said we were both standing our ground but that we needed to fix this because it was "affecting other people".  I told him my issue is not what Andrew said because I realised his good intentions, but my issue is that I felt that he was preaching to me, patronising me and not listening to me.  Kevin then used emotional blackmail telling me that Andrew had a heart problem that was being investigated that this stress isnt good for him.  I told him this is between Andrew and I and no one else needs to get involved.  He said that "if trying to look out for a friend was bringing on all this crap then next time they wont bother and if something bad was to happen to me then tough".  Again I explained that I only had two alcoholic drinks. I was furious at this and told him that while I will always be there for Andrew and was sorry to hear of his health problem I was not backing down over how I feel.  I told him all andrew needs to do is listen to me and all will be forgotten.  Later I sent Andrew a text.  He wanted to meet me but I explained that I did not want to meet in case things snowballed into aother argument.  Again I explained my feelings, on how I felt patronised and not listened to and how I felt he was preaching to me but stressed that I do appreciate his concern for me.  He said again he wanted to meet up but I told him no way until he is prepared to listen.  I feel that if its affecting Andrew as badly as theyre making out, why doesnt he just let it go?

 
I havent heard from either of them since.  I have remained really calm and mature about the whole thing but I am never confident in my own opinions and asked my friend Kirsty for advice.  I let her read the texts and told her everything and she said she was proud of me for finally standing up for myself.  She knows that I was spending less time with andrew and Kevin because of Andrew's arguing. I trust her judgment because although she never judges me, she is always honest with me and will tell me when I'm in the wrong.

However, now what do I do?  I desperately want to patch things up but not at the expense of my principals and self-esteem.  People not listening to me affects my self esteem badly and quite often I accept blame when its not my fault just to keep the peace.  This is the first time I have stuck to my guns and refused to back down.  I know I am 100% right because I have explained my appreciation for their concern and reassured them that I havent in fact been drinking much at all and explained that I felt patronised and not listened to.  Not once did I accuse them of anything, I used phrases like "I feel" rather than putting things onto them.  But there is no way forward if I cannot get Andrew to listen.  

 
The comment about the acthing like a teenager, I think , might be a bit of jealousy coming through.   My friend Laura is 18, I have known her for three years and we are more like sisters.  We tell people we are sisters because we feel like sisters, we share everything and see each other at least once a week.  She has met Andrew and Kevin and we all socialise together sometimes.  Kirsty socialises with us too.  Everyone gets along well.  Last week, however, we had a night out in the pub. I had a few drinks but stopped when I felt a bit woozy.  There was about seven of us out and I think I might have talked more to Laura and Kirsty than I did Andrew and Kevin.  This wasnt intentional and they seemed to be talking to other people too when I looked over at them so I never thought anything of it.  Now, though, I wonder if there are jealous undertones to this.
 
Id really appreciate youre advice on how to go forward from this.  I refuse to let this get sweeped under the carpet like all the other arguments over petty things hes caused.  Its always easier to let Andrew get his own way and the last word because he never listens to anyone elses opinions or points of view.  But this time things are personal because he's accusing me of things that arent true and not letting me stand up for myself.  I do appreciate his concern but I do not appreciate being patronised like this.

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Re: Patronising Friend
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 12:07:10 PM »
Would there be any reason why either of this couple would want to disrupt the relationhsip you have with the other?

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Re: Patronising Friend
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 12:40:58 PM »
i think you are already doing all the right things. you have tried to work things out with the pair of them. you have talked the situation through with other people including friends who know you all. you have distanced your self from this pair recognising that their behaviour is detrimental to your well being. you have remained calm and relaxed when dealing with them.

where do you go from her.. well, where do you want to go?

what do you think is right for you?

also, what would you like from the relationship that you have with them?
 


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Re: Patronising Friend
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008, 10:53:13 AM »
Thanks so much for your replies. The plot, thickens. It seems Kev has had a go at another friend for no apparent reason. Just lashed out over something totally trivial. The friend, Allan is really upset. I had to calm him and told him not to take any notice and its not his fault that Kevin lacks important social skills.

I wish they both would just listen to me. I feel that friends should be able to say 'i am annoyed at you' and discuss things rationally without it turning into an argument. I'd love it if Andrew and Kev were mature enough for this to happen. Its a shame because my boyfriend is in the middle of this.

I honestly don't think this can be fixed. I did manage to get him to back down but even so, I think our friendship has been damaged beyond repair.  I was at their house last week and Andrew was fine, chatting away and it was nice, but Kevin sat at his computer, barely uttering a word. Sigh.

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Re: Patronising Friend
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008, 07:22:57 PM »
I wish they both would just listen to me. I feel that friends should be able to say 'i am annoyed at you' and discuss things rationally without it turning into an argument.
you are absolutely right. friends should be able to be completely honest with each other about how they feel.
this is the whole foundation of friendships, having people who you can trust to share problems as well as have fun and good times. if any friend of mine came and said "i am annoyed with you, i need to talk" i would be like "oh my god, what have i done, lets talk"

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I was at their house last week and Andrew was fine, chatting away and it was nice, but Kevin sat at his computer, barely uttering a word. Sigh.
i dont know these two, and you know them better, but from your opening post and what you say here i would geuss that kevin is causing trouble and trying to isolate andrew away from the group of friends.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008, 09:19:12 PM »
It sounds like you have done everything you possibly can, but you need to now protect yourself from what your thoughts are about yourself.

It might be time to focus on those things you have put aside to maintain your friendship.  There may be hobbies, redecorating, and other things that may have been accomplished if these friends had not been in your life.  Pursuing your own interests and new friendships may be the healthiest thing you can do for yourself.

If you don't want this brushed aside, then you can afford to wait for this fellow to try and reopen dialogue again, but be sure to warn them that you will not stand for a repeat of the same behavior.  Put your foot down, refuse to engage in another conversation without this issue being dealt with in a manner that you see fit, then return to those things in your life that you enjoy.

Good luck!

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Re: Patronising Friend
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 11:08:35 PM »
Thanks again for your thoughts.

Stan, your point about Kevin isolating Andrew from friends is interesting. This is Kevins first relationship but Andrew has had his share of lovers. They met through me. I played Cupid when I realised the mutual attraction. Andrew accused me of being distant with them at the time of the drinking argument. Yet it was always me who kept in touch but the second it stopped they didnt like it. In fact, it seems to me the longer they are together, the more distant they become. They turn down invites more etc. They seem to be disappearing into a protective wee bubble. I tried keeping in touch, the odd text or email but I have stopped making the first move as I feel I have done my bit. Its up to them now. And yet I still feel like Im being persecuted. Allan told me again to fix it and kind of demanded I accompany them to the cinema. I dont understand why everyone thinks its up to me. Maybe its because I am not stubborn like Andrew. I told him Ive done what I can and its up to them now.

Diana, thank you. You are extremely right. Its time for me to explore new friendships and this is exactly what I am going to do. I have made some new friends through my job (i meet loads of people) and I intend to get closer to them. I was at a dinner party one of them had the other day (we got so drunk it was great fun). I can now put the time Id be spending with Kev and Andrew to good use, get my house in order, spend more time with my parents, etc. Im excited about it. Thanks so much for your advice, both of you. Its been a god send. Keep in touch x

 

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