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Author Topic: how true is the saying "ignorance is bliss"?  (Read 621 times)
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« on: July 13, 2009, 02:14:29 PM »

I like to think of myself as a level headed well informed individual. As part of my everyday life I watch the news, learn about the latest health issues through television and newspapers, and of course try to have some understanding of what is going on in the world. If you are like most people out there, these things could cause a certain amount of stress, anxiety, and panic in your lives without perhaps you even realizing it.

Striving not to catch the latest flu is challenging enough, worrying the food you are eating might not be safe, or having the threat that someone could bomb or start shooting in a public place, could make the average individual a little crazy.

Would it be nice for a change to indulge in some of life's little pleasures without being stressed out or feeling guilty? Imagine dining out eating rich food, and not considering your cholesterol level, possible heart disease, or high blood pressure? How about being intimate with someone without worrying the encounter could be fatal? Imagine waking up on a sunny day without being reminded all the time of the greenhouse effect, global warming, or the environment in general? I am not suggesting people practice unsafe sex. or eat themselves to death. The thing is to me the more advanced we become, the less we seem able to do.

With that said, I always liked to go back to my dearly departed relatives who immigrated to North America. Once they arrived life might have been hard at the beginning, but compared to what they left, this was paradise. They looked at life in a way we could only dream of attaining. They knew how to enjoy, and did not worry about the "what if this happened". They simply were not aware of the dangers, and nothing could have been as bad as what they already experienced. Just like today, some folks live to ripe old ages, and others past away earlier.

In my opinion many of those relatives who died early might have been saved, if they were given the same medical treatments as people receive today. Just consider are advancements in cancer treatments, heart disease, and antibiotics. One of the biggest killers today is stress which causes many health issues. Maybe it is time to turn off the television, stop reading the paper for awhile, and live our lives the way we see fit for us.

What I am trying to get across is that each person is only given a certain amount of time to roam this earth, and none of us know how long it will be. So if we do everything legal we want while we are here, how bad would that be? Can anyone guarantee by doing everything to protect our health or environment will assure us a longer life? Try telling that to the families who lost love ones in natural disasters, wars, or the students who were senselessly murdered for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. None of those poor people would have wanted to wake up in the morning and be told you are going to die today, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Is ignorance bliss? That is an issue that could be debated forever!!!
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 06:28:54 PM »

"Is ignorance bliss?" is indeed a question that can be debated forever, but like all questions with a measurable result, there is only one right answer.

Information is useless in and of itself. What you do with the knowledge is what ultimately determines if it makes you happy or depressed. Does gaining information so that you can worry about a greater range of subjects make you happier? Probably not. Does gaining information so you can spot a greater range of opportunities make you happier? Probably. Does gaining information have any effect if your behavior doesn't reflect it? There's probably a number of correlations to this one, but no real causation. Strictly neurologically speaking, the absence of information does not trigger any reward in the brain. It is possible (but currently unproven) that greater amounts of information connecting to a particular event results in a deeper or more satisfying experience than a less connected one, but an explicit lack of information certainly does not contribute to feelings of happiness. In the best case, a lack of information will produce better results than greater amounts of inaccurate information. I believe this misunderstanding is what produces the question in the first place.

For example: A 'caveman' who mechanically responds to his environment will be happy so long as his starting factors do not conflict with environmental events later on in his life, because his expectations are accurate and thus he always "gets what he wants" - an animal. However, a change in the environment (an ice age, or more relevantly, a cultural revolution) would be evolutionarily disastrous for our caveman - without the ability to actively manage his own expectations, he is bound to continue acting in obsolete ways based on now-irrelevant starting factors, and eventually become extinct.

Just consider our advancements in cancer treatment, heart disease and antibiotics: in only two generations, the entire notion of "dying in your sleep" has all but disappeared as advancing medical sciences have raised everyone's expectations for survival to the sky - not just for themselves, but for everyone they know. At face value, it's simply no longer acceptable to die, while in the past it was a normal part of life, which causes a great deal of unnecessary grief every time someone does die. On the other hand, those expectations are also a large part of what drives our medical science advancements.

In summary, information is neither beneficial or harmful in itself. What causes non-bliss is failure to adapt either (or both) your behavior and expectations to your environment.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 02:00:58 AM »

"Is ignorance bliss?" is indeed a question that can be debated forever, but like all questions with a measurable result, there is only one right answer.

Information is useless in and of itself. What you do with the knowledge is what ultimately determines if it makes you happy or depressed. Does gaining information so that you can worry about a greater range of subjects make you happier? Probably not. Does gaining information so you can spot a greater range of opportunities make you happier? Probably. Does gaining information have any effect if your behavior doesn't reflect it? There's probably a number of correlations to this one, but no real causation. Strictly neurologically speaking, the absence of information does not trigger any reward in the brain. It is possible (but currently unproven) that greater amounts of information connecting to a particular event results in a deeper or more satisfying experience than a less connected one, but an explicit lack of information certainly does not contribute to feelings of happiness. In the best case, a lack of information will produce better results than greater amounts of inaccurate information. I believe this misunderstanding is what produces the question in the first place.

For example: A 'caveman' who mechanically responds to his environment will be happy so long as his starting factors do not conflict with environmental events later on in his life, because his expectations are accurate and thus he always "gets what he wants" - an animal. However, a change in the environment (an ice age, or more relevantly, a cultural revolution) would be evolutionarily disastrous for our caveman - without the ability to actively manage his own expectations, he is bound to continue acting in obsolete ways based on now-irrelevant starting factors, and eventually become extinct.

Just consider our advancements in cancer treatment, heart disease and antibiotics: in only two generations, the entire notion of "dying in your sleep" has all but disappeared as advancing medical sciences have raised everyone's expectations for survival to the sky - not just for themselves, but for everyone they know. At face value, it's simply no longer acceptable to die, while in the past it was a normal part of life, which causes a great deal of unnecessary grief every time someone does die. On the other hand, those expectations are also a large part of what drives our medical science advancements.

In summary, information is neither beneficial or harmful in itself. What causes non-bliss is failure to adapt either (or both) your behavior and expectations to your environment.

This is an excellent topic. I'm glad someone brought it up.

Voodoo, are you suggesting that our actions and thought processes are a result of our environment? ( I.E. Behavior is learned? )

As for how we deal with new incoming information, I think the results rely upon the pre-concieved notions of the beholder.
On that note, I'll refer to the 3 theories of emotion.

James-Lange = The James-Lange theory refers to a hypothesis on the origin and nature of emotions developed independently by two 19th-century scholars, William James and Carl Lange. The theory states that within human beings, as a response to experiences in the world, the autonomic nervous system creates physiological events such as muscular tension, a rise in heart rate, perspiration, and dryness of the mouth. Emotions, then, are feelings which come about as a result of these physiological changes, rather than being their cause.

The Cannon-Bard Theory =  Theorizes that physiological changes are caused by emotions

Schachter & Singer's Theory = Theorizes that emotions are a direct result of an analysis of the surroundings.

I personally agree with the Schachter & Singer Theory. I think that the analysis, however, can be replaced by a pre-concieved notion. If you have thought about life and death, then perhaps the death of someone on the news, or even a loved one will be more understandable. This isn't to say that it isn't a big deal, don't get me wrong. I just believe that your emotional reaction is based on either your current analysis of the event at hand, or the pre-concieved notion of the situation.

Any thoughts? Cheesy


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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 02:50:38 PM »


I like to think being less ignorant can enhance our lives.
Certainly knowledge can give us pleasure in understanding something.
For instance we learn to appreaciate the arts through our education.

Not being ignorant can be a burdon?
"The heavy burdon of knowledge ..............." I-Ching

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